oldcloser

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CEO carrying some guilt.

Boss offered dude help about 6 years ago after learning he was struggling with substance abuse. Help wasn't considered, much less accepted. Boss ultimately fired him. Dude apparently has now cleaned up. Reached out to boss to ask for a job. Boss asks me to interview dude.

in the spirit of the season, I agree. Of course, I have no fucking choice. So, I send the dude a Zoom invite for 10 AM left coast time today. Dude can't figure out when 10 AM is... or type.

What's the play here?

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Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Take the call and report back. That's the play.

Pachacuti

Politicker

They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy

yep

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

Are we sure he's clean!?

And in terms of next steps, @Sunbunny31 covered it.

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

So, those were my thoughts as well. Now what?

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Eh, to be honest, I didn't have one either when I was recruited into the job I currently have. I had to fly to create one. If he has an updated LI page, I'd use that for now.
HOWEVER - if he wasn't recruited for this role and he applied, he should have been better prepared.
I'm really interested in how he is on a call. Now I'm invested.

RandyLahey

Politicker

Account Executive

red flag fam. These exchanges read like they are high. Even junkies know you need to update your CV before a call or applying. Livestream this plz to a select Bravado audience.

antiASKHOLE

Tycoon

Bravado's Resident Asshole

I'm interested in your investment. Please do tell us how this plays out..

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

He called us. I don't want to be a heartless bastard, but c'mon man, have a resume... at very least. Obviously, he's getting the CEO fast track, but shouldn't abuse it. If I ask him to do something he doesn't feel like doing, will he lean on it later?

A pro would be cognizant of the road he's on and, even if he doesn't give a fuck because he's got the boss' blessing, should act like he respects it.

Gut checking myself on this. I really would like to talk to him. There's something of a human experiment here. I also won't disqualify him because of the past. I don't think that's fair. People do get their shit together. They get sober. They quit gambling. They grow up. But this is a train wreck from the start.

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

roger roger

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

Given that he reached out to the CEO and not the other way around, definitely a red flag.

That being said, you should still talk to him. Be fair but TOUGH. Go with your gut and stand behind any decision you make.

Also - make sure he's on cam so you can see how together he is and, most importantly, report back!

antiASKHOLE

Tycoon

Bravado's Resident Asshole

where the hell is this guy at 7 am that he won't be home in time to take 15-20 mins to update his resume... I would reinforce the necessity of having it beforehand.

"Hey, I understand you may cut it close, but the company requires a resume submitted before or during the interview. Is there a way that you can get it to me in the next hour?"
You are totally right on raising the standard and getting the basic things done to start with. Or else this character trait will run rampant if moved forward against your better judgement.

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

I told him to send me a resume first before we talk, that I have a process to follow. He agreed. Can't find him on LinkedIn. This one is going up in smoke fast. He wants to talk, he can get his resume current. If he can't do that, I have my answer and can justify it.
That's the play for today. Will update if he climbs out of the hole.

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

same brain syndrome. yep.

RandyLahey

Politicker

Account Executive

that's fair. If you can't carve out 30 minutes to update a CV, you're fucked.

Phillip_J_Fry

Opinionated

Director of Revenue

It's not like the meeting got booked today. Surely, he's had some time to write up a quick resume.

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

The invite was sent last Friday. Yup.

RandyLahey

Politicker

Account Executive

Exactly. This doesn't mean we are lacking sympathy, sadly the Red flags are obvious.

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Absolutely. If it weren't for a few second chances, I'd have no chance. It isn't the history that's preventing the interview. It's the same standard anyone else would be held to. Just have a resume. I wouldn't talk to anyone else without one.

Revenue_Rambo

Politicker

Director, Revenue Enablement

Hadn't needed it in several years = incarcerated?

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

crossed my mind also...

Coffee_is_for_closers

Opinionated

Product & Solutions Specialist

The Red Flags keep on popping up. I remember we made an exception for a guy we interviewed in a similar situation...Long story short, your gut is never wrong.
Keep the interview on track, but don't expect the moon.

Revenue_Rambo

Politicker

Director, Revenue Enablement

If they call you and the call starts with...
"This is a collect call from a correctional facility. Say yes, if you'd like to accept the call"

pirate

Big Shot

Account Executive

It's like why contact CEO if he can't even put some effort into a CV... Is CEO going to close deals for him too?

Revenue_Rambo

Politicker

Director, Revenue Enablement

CEO will close the deals but @oldcloser will be responsible for wiping his ass

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Yes to all of the above crap. We're now 1 hour and 16 minutes past his chat time. No resume.

antiASKHOLE

Tycoon

Bravado's Resident Asshole

sooo... did he show up?

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Not a heartless bastard if he called. He should be prepared!

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Conversation postponed pending receipt of resume. No resume.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Thinking that the resume hasn't been provided, so no meeting. But we'll see!

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

No resuming without resume!

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Nope. No can do. Show me anything.

Revenue_Rambo

Politicker

Director, Revenue Enablement

Will have to wait until rec hour and have CO type it out for him.

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

baahahahahaha

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

Has he been in touch at all?! And how unhinged has the communication been?

(I'm far too invested in this)

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Last peep. Almost 3 hours old already. Crickets since 🤷🏻‍♂️

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

How does this guy define 'asap' ?!

Revenue_Rambo

Politicker

Director, Revenue Enablement

At least the guy has an iPhone.

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

sent from ipohn

Phillip_J_Fry

Opinionated

Director of Revenue

A soon as he's able to get his hands on a little more booger sugar.

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

I guess he self-owned. Damn shame.

RandyLahey

Politicker

Account Executive

I SEE YOU QUEEN AND I LAUGH OUT LOUD

RandyLahey

Politicker

Account Executive

As soon as out of prison...

HVACexpert

Politicker

sales engineer

Have some sympathy guys, hard to close deals from the yard.

antiASKHOLE

Tycoon

Bravado's Resident Asshole

well... you know what they say.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Didn’t Gasty just run a post thread about interesting places to take a call? Because that would be the winner!

lilhunter

Good Citizen

independent sales consultant

lol. take the call. guy's bound to have some interesting stories... then ping him afterwards and tell him that you wouldn't feel comfortable w/ him in front of clients b/c of exhibit a and b

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

No idea where to buy dope anymore. I should talk to him.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Then update me k thx

HVACexpert

Politicker

sales engineer

Continue with the interview and hope it goes well for his sake

Pachacuti

Politicker

They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy

Cause we all know what UTC time is?

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Having encountered this precise situation myself some years back, I did think to search it.

Pachacuti

Politicker

They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy

I wouldn’t fault him for confirming.

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

How bout now?

Pachacuti

Politicker

They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy

He should have a resume. Thats a basic unless you’re a welder or something. Then just bring something you welded.

RandyLahey

Politicker

Account Executive

lol

Coffee_is_for_closers

Opinionated

Product & Solutions Specialist

Bring something you welded. Thats GOLD lol

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

I just had a fucking bridge delivered to my front door.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Baltimore would like a word.

jabroni

Opinionated

Account Executive

☠️☠️☠️

Kosta_Konfucius

Politicker

ERP Sales

This could be a classic over thinking too, try to keep past knowledge of drug issues out of the mind when evaluating.

SalesBeast

Politicker

Sales Leader

Some people act like Google is not an option.
Hope it’s not a sales role interview bc if you can’t align calendars and times you can’t do much…

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

THIS was my first take. How you gonna set demos if you don't know how to work a calendar?

youngsmoky

Celebrated Contributor

Senior Account Executive

Reminds me of when a guy called our sales line to ask for my manager. Manager wasn’t in. He said he was looking for a sales job and wanted to get in touch. Okay no problem, here’s their email. Dude STRUGGLED to take down a short email address over the phone. That’s actually a pretty basic function you need for a sales job!

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

I mean, juggling multiple time zones and scheduling is a huge part of sales.
I'm very practiced, which means I only get it wrong about 25% of the time.

detectivegibbles

Politicker

Sales Director

Grace always. Take the call and go thru interview process like normal. Report back and give transparent honest opinion. All you can do my friend!

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

My attitude as well. Only, I asked him for a resume. He doesn't have one. Gotta hold him to some standard. He agreed to complete it, send it, and schedule the chat after. We shall see.

Gasty

Notable Contributor

War Room Community Manager

Wait what?
“I’m K good deal. Talk them
Then”

Red flags but hope it goes well for him though.

It’s great that you decided to reschedule, it may make him more prepared for the interview, knowing now it’s no joke.

Really interested to know how it goes! Definitely let us know!

pirate

Big Shot

Account Executive

I really feel for the guy but I'd say after ending up with substance abuse in sales... Perhaps getting back to sales after 6 years is not the best idea. So how'd the interview go?

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Buried in this thread - I asked him for a resume. He didn't have one. I cancelled the conversation until he sends it. Intuition said he wouldn't get it done. 1:20 past the scheduled chat. Nothing...
https://bravado.co/war-room/posts/ceo-carrying-some-guilt?comment=true#:~:text=Show%2020-,more,-replies

pirate

Big Shot

Account Executive

Fair enough, should have polished the CV before talking to the CEO. Probably was for better. Less work for you and he can focus on his recovery journey

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Da, druga, da.

PitchMaestro

Personal Narrative

Account Executive

Hahahahhaha

Retired Sales Professional

I believe a good practice is to alway have your resume uupdated no matter if you're employed or unemployed.

Always look at it and tweak the the wording to fit current rhetoric in the industry you are trying to get into. Never let your resume collect dust.
Good call in rescheduling.

RandyLahey

Politicker

Account Executive

Once a month for me!

Retired Sales Professional

👍👍

HVACexpert

Politicker

sales engineer

This thread is amazing. Can we all call into the interview to listen in? We can give you realtime feedback then lol.

LambyCorn

Arsonist

A mfkn E

that'd be fucking awesome lmao

LambyCorn

Arsonist

A mfkn E

LOL this was such an interesting read

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Dude never did send his resume. Game over.

sugardaddy

Politicker

🍬

Doesn’t seem like a fit. Haha!

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Yeah, just missed.

sugardaddy

Politicker

🍬

Waste of time!

Revenue_Rambo

Politicker

Director, Revenue Enablement

Any response back from dude?

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Absolutely silent. I told the corporately appropriate version to the boss in Slack, ending with “Unfortunately I have to dismiss this as viable.”

No response to that either.
Case closed.

Armageddon

Opinionated

Enterprise Account Executive

yeah all you can do is provide your honest feedback. That being said, be conscious of your CEOs relationship with the individual and don't overshare your opinion.

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Wise- why I took it here

vet

Valued Contributor

Senior SDR

Help him out, move on. Try to be kind to others. We all are gonna die one day.

startedatatechunicorn

Contributor

Account Executive | Sales Team Lead

Any update here @oldcloser ? Genuinely invested now… (or just a lookie-loo…)

oldcloser

Arsonist

💀

Oh- no. This was open land shut on that day. Dude couldn’t get a resume together. Dude couldn’t get no consideration. Next!

startedatatechunicorn

Contributor

Account Executive | Sales Team Lead

🤝🤝 wasn’t sure if maybe he was just (hopefully) ambien zonked and not in a * problematic * way but a … sleepy way… ? wish him well tho hopes he gets it together.

swervinginsales

Personal Narrative

Sales and Marketing executive

I never been against anyone asking, that’s not a sign of being dumb or irresponsible. It is a sign that is aware of his mistakes in past of always being late and never wanted to happen again.