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Employment Law: Are they trying to get me to quit instead of firing me?

Yeah, so if you've seen my posts about my deals being taken- this next question is likely no surprise... I'm beginning to wonder if I'm being "forced out"? I found out about MORE secret meetings with prospects who are supposed to be mine. Proposal this week & this prospect's specific presentation deck is permissions based and apparently I don't have rights. Now, I was just alerted by a change in SOP by a vendor, not even my own leadership, and this change has caused a huge delay in gathering pricing for my opps.


Knowing I have unorganized and, honestly, selfish leadership I can definitely see this being a 'I want the glory' situation for the deals, and they forget to tell me stuff all the time. However, looking at this less as puzzle pieces and more as a whole-ass assembled puzzle it's hard not to question if they're trying to get me to quit.


I'm a self employed contractor, so I can't imagine what benefit there would be to the company if I quit instead of getting fired? I don't know much about US Employment Law- so would love to hear from sales managers that do!

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Incognito
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Master of Disaster
Ok. You need a lawyer, like yesterday.ย 

Employment law varies from state to state, but you do have rights - independent contractor or not.ย 

Also, why would they want you to quit if youโ€™re obviously making them money? If you go, their income stream dies (according to your posts). It makes me believe one of these two things are true:

1. Your company fucking sucks and is a toxic hell hole. GTFO.

2. The details of your situation are very much skewed from your personal perception/ emotions.ย 

Iโ€™m not accusing you of being dramatic, Iโ€™m just saying that maybe you should take a step back and really read through all your agreements and disengage emotionally (hard as fuck to do ย - I know) for a more logical analysis. It very well may be that you need to get away from this shitty situation and you are a treasure to any firm lucky to have you, but separating your emotions from facts will help you see a clear path to success regardless.ย 

Hang in there, weโ€™ve all been in both places ๐Ÿ–ค
UserNotFound
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Mid Market Manager
I think it's likely a mix of 1 & 2. I'm trying to step back and look at it without emotion, something I'm usually known for being able to do. In this instance, I think my emotions are high because a year into working here I still don't know how to 'win'. There are no quotas, just 'you're doing great' until someone gets drunk and says 'you're not doing good enough, what happened to the person I thought I hired?' There's no training, there's no structure for any sort of communication. No 1:1s. No dedicated time to helping me grow. I've even gotten accounts stolen.ย 

However, I've tried to keep bringing these things up in an amicable way because I know it has to be hard to hire your first sales person- and for it to be someone so green in the industry has to be even worse. I've given a TON of grace. I've eaten many-a shit sandwiches.ย 

But it's driving me nuts that two specific deals, one is a years worth of what I "should be able to sell" (again, no quota) and the other is close to 4 years worth of what I "should be able to sell" are both taken from me and worked in a complete silo. People who aren't in sales know more about this deal than I do.ย 

Presentation of 4x was this afternoon, and I have no clue how it went- but other people in my org do. I haven't been able to ask because right now I am too emotional and just need some time to calm down in order to have a professional conversation.ย 
UserNotFound
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Mid Market Manager
@Incognitoย ย all of which is obviously the catalyst for me losing my mind on the other post... hahaha
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CuriousFox
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Senior Account Executive
This blows my mind. I have zero legal knowledge. But have you written with included screenshots of you needing access to your presentations?
UserNotFound
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Mid Market Manager
Oh- I need to edit this to clarify...ย  I don't have permissions to access the specific presentation of the prospect that my boss is having a secret meeting with. It was sent to me by a co-worker who helped prepare it but when I tried to access I didn't have rights. So, could be because I didn't help prepare it- could be because they're locking me out of it.ย 

Who the fuck knows. But I think I'm going to have to have a very uncomfortable conversation and really quickly... luckily I have other places recruiting me and I can get another job in a hot minute- it just probably won't pay as well.ย 
CuriousFox
WR Officer
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Senior Account Executive
None of it makes any sense. Make sure all of your facts are documented and in order so you can refer to them quickly during your conversation. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious wtf this ratchet company is. I'm sorry you're going through it.
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SADNES5
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Hittin' Dingers
Constructive Dismissal. Look it up. If they're changing your work to force you out the door. Enjoy severance and punitive damages.
UserNotFound
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Mid Market Manager
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CaneWolf
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Call me what you want, just sign the damn contract
Just to be clear again, they are paying you regardless, right? This is fucking weird.
UserNotFound
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Mid Market Manager
@CaneWolfupdate to this thread: the shoe finally dropped and I found out that they, in fact, will only be paying me 1/2 of what I would have made on these deals. One of these deals is close to closing now (should sign next month) and I saw the DM out at an event a few weeks ago and I took the heat for not being involved. He said "hey, when I agreed to entertain doing business with your company I thought I was going to be doing business with YOU." Even went on to say he doesn't really like or trust my boss... I relayed that info back and said I think we have a better shot if I and another leader in the company are more involved and was told "That is a genuinely stupid idea". So you could say things are going exactly as predicted... lol.
CaneWolf
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Call me what you want, just sign the damn contract
FUCK that place.
UserNotFound
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Mid Market Manager
Yep- well, supposedly. Which is why Iโ€™m conflicted!
UserNotFound
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Mid Market Manager
Also- I think itโ€™s weird as shit too, which is why I canโ€™t figure out what the fuck the bossโ€™ (owner) motivations are?! If they arenโ€™t trying to get me to quit, why not let me be a part of it. If they ARE trying to get me to quit- why would you force someone out who is bringing in the largest accounts the company has ever seen?! It doesnโ€™t make sense.
CaneWolf
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Call me what you want, just sign the damn contract
Yeah, that through line has been making me confused the entire time.
cw95
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Pricing Executive
I'm unsure about the USA but in the UK anyway, there has to be 3 warnings or a reason to why. If the reason isn't plausible then it's all okay for you...if it escalates there are companies out there that will help you out for free in terms of employment law and then charge your company (if you win).
UserNotFound
Politicker
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Mid Market Manager
Thanks! I bet the UK is much more employee-friendly than the US... we're all about that capitalism, for better or worse!
cw95
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Pricing Executive
So much more, you need to have at least 3 proper warnings before getting fired. If you are 'Asked to leave' they generally to save their own backs give you gardening leave which can vary from one month pay to 3 month pay.ย 
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