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Flat Organization VS Hierarchy

There have been many experiments regarding the organizational structures. Some have worked wonderfully while others haven't. What's your take?

Which one do you prefer?
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SalesPharaoh
Politicker
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AM BDR
I think it depends on the company and product but a really really cool book to read about that is called Team of Teams by Stanely McChrystal amazing take on how to have a dynamic adapable org structure
Ace
Arsonist
+9
CEO
Added to my to read list. Thanks a lot
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Wolfof7thStreet
Opinionated
+5
AE
Having a hierarchy is good, as long as the managers/VPs are good. It is great to have leaders from the company that you can pull into calls, clients love feeling special enough to have a VP on the 2nd call
Ace
Arsonist
+9
CEO
That is true. 100%
Chep
WR Officer
+10
Business Development Team Lead
I think it's important to have a balance. Typically, you'll need a boss to make sure people are actually working, but making sure the workers feel like they have a voice is key I.M.O
Ace
Arsonist
+9
CEO
Yeah that makes sense. A lot of orgs miss the 2 way communication
Zags
Good Citizen
Global Account Manager
I think if you need a boss to make sure people are working, there's already a problem there. Especially in sales. If you're not actively trying to sell, you won't last.ย 
1nbatopshotfan
Politicker
+5
Senior Director, Enterprise Technology
After our acquisition which was generally hierarchical we moved to a flat set up. Iโ€™m not a fan. Itโ€™s hard to know who to go to for certain things and where to go now that the org chart is a pancake.ย 
Ace
Arsonist
+9
CEO
But in flat org, you are supposed to take ownership of everything. And approval and permissions are supposed to be suspended. It won't work otherwise
1nbatopshotfan
Politicker
+5
Senior Director, Enterprise Technology
That makes a ton of sense, but we have combined two very different mentalities and business processes which makes interacting with the other side of our business nearly impossible.ย 
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Rallier
Politicker
+9
Account Executive
Having worked in both, hierarchical is definitely better. With flat organizations, it takes too long to make decisions and too many people are involved. It sounds great, but in reality, it's frustrating.
Ace
Arsonist
+9
CEO
Got it. How big was the flat company you worked at?
Indakitchenwhippin
Opinionated
+1
MDR
Hierarchical, if the org is too flat I have found that advancement and "ladder climbing" is quite difficult and takes a lot longer, whichย  for myself and I imagine most sales people is very unappealing.
Ace
Arsonist
+9
CEO
But there won't be any ladder climbing. You made it! Haha jk.

But I do get your point
c4miller
Opinionated
+2
Sr. Account Executive
I'd say with the right structure, hierarchy will always win here. multiple levels of leadership allow for upward mobility and better structure in internal decision making. It also helps keep tenure and experience in the org.ย 

The areas where this usually fails is when bad leaders get promoted and become intrenched in positions of authority and creates an environment that repels talent and prevents success for everyone involved.ย 
Ace
Arsonist
+9
CEO
But politics can't be discounted. People just love to fuck it upย 
c4miller
Opinionated
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Sr. Account Executive
Very true. There isn't an easy way to build the system when starting from scratch but the potential is always worth the risk in my opinion
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goose
Politicker
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Sales Executive
Like most polls, the answer is "it depend"s. ย How many sales people are in your organization? ย There are ratios for sales people to managers, managers to directors, directors to VP's.

100 sales people? ย Probably need 10 to 12 managers, 2 or 3 directors and a VP.

10 sales people? ย Probably just need that VP.
Ace
Arsonist
+9
CEO
True but thats from a sales perspective. I am looking at the organization across all departments and levels
goose
Politicker
+10
Sales Executive
I believe the ratios still apply. ย I don't understand what a flat organization looks like... everyone reporting to the CEO?
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