UserNotFound

Account Executive

Getting out of the echo-chamber: Women in Sales Stories

I've seen a lot of posts recently where the men in this community don't seem to recognize the divergence between their lived experience and women's in this business. I thought it might be both helpful and a bit cathartic to create a repository of the stories we want our male counterparts to know/understand as they establish their opinions on the topic.

Comment with one or one-thousand instances that you believe highlights an issue that needs better understanding.

***The purpose of this thread isn't to bash, it's to educate and challenge the status quo.

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funcoupons

WR Officer

👑

Here's my experience:

I've never faced any discrimination from my employer, colleagues, or clients because of my gender. In my company, I'm treated exactly the same as any male salesperson. The male prospects I've spoken to have been nothing but respectful.

Thankfully, I have nothing negative to contribute here. Most men are normal, respectful people who are not sexist and treat women with respect. I don't feel the need to come in here and remind the men that other men do disrespectful things...there are assholes on both sides of the fence and I don't think the people who are truly sexist and disrespectful to women make up the Bravado community.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Count your blessings. Being hit on by a client and feeling helpless in the moment are two things I wish on no one. Ever.

funcoupons

WR Officer

👑

Hey, I'm happy as hell that I haven't encountered this situation at work. I have encountered men who are pushy/rude/straight up perverted plenty of times in normal life and it's never a good time.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Oh fo sho 💯

KingReso

Fire Starter

Account Executive

We had a CSM at our company dealing with a major Fortune 50 account and the contact did exactly this to her. Asking her inappropriate questions, threatening to cancel their subscription because of her. One of our sales directors eventually caught wind of this, went directly to his boss, and told him about the entire situation.

3 weeks later this major Fortune 50 company issued her a formal apology and the individual was removed as our contact going forward.

CorpBroette

Executive

New Business Account Executive

Hell yeh had that happen, from a CEO of a Fortune 100 all the back up I got was "take one for the team [Broette]"... "think of the comish"... "I bet it'd be a fun night". That was just my boss, said in jest but as a 22 year old being hit on by a 50 something I was pretty shook.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

I see you, and I ❤ you @CorpBroette

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

But don't you sell to HR? Not trying to downplay your experience, but I would think that the people you interact with are much different than, say, me who sells to construction firms.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Oh no... WAN Optimization, Cloud & Data Center, Cloud-Hosted VoIP, etc.

funcoupons

WR Officer

👑

Most of the prospects I deal with are owners/C Suite and finance. HR is usually involved in the DM process but not the major/only DM. I'd say it's 50/50 mix of genders, in non profits it's absolutely more women/gay men but when I'm dealing with SMB more often than not the owners/finance employees are men.

When I was a recruiter we worked almost exclusively with manufacturing and other blue collar industries and I dealt with men about 95% of the time, and I was going to places in person. Still no issues.

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

I didn't mean you @MrsTechSales lol

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

ok I'm blaming Canada then haha

Seriously, though. Glad you don't have to deal with it.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Hahahahaha... yeah, lol. I see that now. I was so worried that I committed a party-foul with this post in general that I was worried you were coming for me.

Fuck. Anxiety.

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

woah - I would never do you dirty like that @MrsTechSales ! I will never tire of this conversation. It needs to be had frequently and often.

and lolz that I intimidate ppl on an anonymous website. See what all this sexism has done to me? hahahaha

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

hahaha. good. I'm probably older than you but I look up to you! Don't come for me!

But you're right, I'm so adamant that this conversation doesn't happen enough and while we're in a cultural shift toward challenging the status quo- this is the hill I've chosen to die on.

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

I highly doubt you’re older than me. Gen Xer over here….

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

millennial- but mom of 3 and in sales for nearly a decade, so I must just feel a lot older than I am. Ha!

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Yes, please! I'm really glad to hear that, too. My current employer is actually AMAZING and I don't have anything negative in that light either. I'm paid fairly, treated well, my contributions are heard and I was the first ever female hire.

However, prior to dealing with some of the situations I have faced- I would have been much better prepared if I had heard of other people's experiences.

Again, the purpose wasn't to be negative or bashing- just to educate anyone and everyone on what situations have happened in the past and how to deal with them.

harebrained

Politicker

Enterprise Account Executive

There is active discouragement about being a woman in sales, and often I'm the only woman on my team.

It is the rare job that doesn't include overt sexual harassment from at least one guy (ex. groping, flashing your dick) - especially when you are new and they know you will be afraid to say anything.

Told in an interview with ADP: "we don't hire women because in our experience they aren't successful.. unless they're bitches - you don't seem bitchy enough"

In a RingCentral interview they recommended I go for the CSM job instead (I'd only been in sales for 10+ yrs at the time - no CS experience). But their sales "culture" was "fraternal" and "the women work in CS"

Hudsonsmom

Opinionated

Area Sales Manager

I’ve had similar similar experiences with my current company. When I started out, I had over a year experience in current role and 2+ years experience in the industry. A new guy started with zero experience, got pregnant and within a month was promoted over me. They flat out told me that was the reason why - so he could be closer to home and not have to travel as much, since he just had a baby. I’ve had things said to me behind closed doors by male clients people don’t even believe. One straight up asked me “do you swallow”…. I was passed up for our largest territory because they said, I might cry in front of the clients and we can’t have that. Need a big strong man who can handle them. Cut to a year later, I was in a supply chain role (considered higher than sales at our company), and they were begging me to take that district bc the current rep created a huge disaster and couldn’t even step foot in his stores. I declined. Golden.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Wow... "because you might cry". Are you kidding me?! I would have loved to respond with "I'm more likely to stab someone than cry" (hahahaha)

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Do you swallow?

No, but I bet your Mom wishes she did every day. 🤷‍♀️

Ok ok that was below the belt. Apologies. 😆

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

I would have been worse - "yes, but I bet I could take lessons from you because our intern, Todd, says you're the champ"

Hudsonsmom

Opinionated

Area Sales Manager

Haha he thought I didn’t hear him so I stared right at him and said “what the fuck did you just say to me?”, he shrunk down in his chair and turned bright red.

Hudsonsmom

Opinionated

Area Sales Manager

RIGHT?!?

Panda4489

Politicker

Head of Some Shit

No that would've been a perfectly appropriate response!

KingReso

Fire Starter

Account Executive

Do you think sales orgs as a whole actively discourage females? The teams I've been a part of allot a tonne of effort towards encouraging females to join both the sales and BD teams, but it's my understanding that the number of applicants are 5:1 male:female at least.

Not disagreeing with you - I know traditional sales orgs are bro clubs - but, wanted your opinion on more progressive companies. Is it still a males-only environment, or just fewer hyper-competitive females out there looking for sales roles?

funcoupons

WR Officer

👑

My company does it's best to find a male/female balance...our last two BDR hires were women. But it's tough when there are so few female applicants...

There's proven differences between men and women when it comes to what work they find fulfilling. Sales is much more appealing to the grand majority of men vs grand majority of women. The women who are good at sales are often straight up killers, but they're rare.

tbh I would much rather be in a more "female oriented" position myself. If I could make six figures as a receptionist or HR employee I'd be there.

harebrained

Politicker

Enterprise Account Executive

I don't think it's fair to say sales orgs "as a whole" - it's more company to company and I am getting better at sniffing out places during an interview that I wouldn't want to work out.

That being said, I feel like being a woman limits my options a bit b/c someone could be a great place to work if I were a guy that I'll never fit with.

KingReso

Fire Starter

Account Executive

I think that's completely fair. That being said as a man in sales, I wouldn't want to work for that type of organization anyway.

RedLightning

Politicker

Mid-Market AE

@funcoupons I've noticed that too. From what I've seen, the women who stick with it end up being some of the better performers on the team.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Glad to hear that- I think the hardest part is recognizing it. Which unfortunately comes too late so often.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Funny that you bring those two examples- a friend just left ADP and I work in telecom. I can 100% understand your experience.

I've seen SO MANY posts recently about the different things we deal with than our counterparts, I don't think that guys understand the positions we are put in.

dryspongebob

Opinionated

Business Development Manager

Forgive me for double commenting but I noticed something else right after I posted the last one.

I took on a seemingly male display name in the War Room because I was worried that my opinion would not be taken into consideration if I expressed my femininity. It's messed but that this was even a thought that crossed my mind.

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

This is exactly the entire point.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Nail on the head. Suppressing portions of ourselves to be taken seriously, no matter how much substance we bring to the conversation.

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

and then getting shit on when we don't

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

I have quite a few stories. There's one that still rocks me, even though it was over 10 years ago.

I was a specialty pharmaceutical rep at the time. It was no big deal to wait next to the sample closet after we stocked it with our product samples to wait for the doctor to sign our tablet and listen to our 30 second detail/pitch.

This physician was male, 6'4, 30 years my senior, a top prescriber and well-liked in the community. He approached me and loudly proclaimed he needed 5 more minutes before he could see me. What no one else saw was him winking at me and whispering, "I'm coming back for you sweetie" as he shut the door and locked it from the outside.

His charge nurse let me out as soon as he stepped away into another patient's room. It was probably about 15 seconds but it felt like 15 hours.

I am thankful for her to do this day.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Holy shit. I am so sorry you went through that! I've been in a similar position once- but did NOT have a door physically locked on me.

I can only imagine your heart beating so loud it was deafening.

The part of this experience that I think gets missed is that we ask ourselves "If I make a big deal of this, how does that affect my job? My ability to land other clients? My take-home pay? My ability to pay my mortgage?" etc

Ugh. I want to puke for you.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

And how does it affect my ability to stay in this industry if I speak up?

Thankfully we've made some progress since this happened. Not much, but it's better than it was.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

So, so true. I work in a historically male dominated field. One time an older rep thought it would be funny to play porn in the bullpen on someone's PC who had gotten up and gone to the bathroom.

They watched the cameras to find out who did it, and guess what happened to him? Nothing. Leadership made up excuses for him because he is older and doesn't understand what current workplace etiquette looks like.

Same guy left me a voicemail when I first moved to town (worked remote at first, moved about a year in) telling me he was driving around my neighborhood looking for my car in a driveway but couldn't find it. He had overheard me tell others in the office which neighborhood I bought a house in.

Hudsonsmom

Opinionated

Area Sales Manager

WOWOWOWOWOW!

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

I worked for an MSP where I brought a net-new client that was supposed to pay $X commission when structuring pricing. Pricing didn't change, deal closed in July. In September I was approached with the information that they had miscalculated profit and comp would actually be 50% of original amount. But, if I wanted that full amount I would have to take it in 3 annual payments over 3 years, OR I could get 75% of the new amount in a single payment.

I was pregnant and about to go on an unpaid maternity leave in 5 weeks. They waited until I was 5 weeks away from no income for 8 weeks to offer me 33% of what my original comp was supposed to be for the exact same deal, knowing that they had all the leverage.

This is the experience of women in sales.

SoldMySoul

Opinionated

VP of Sales

Been steaming over this for a while. These are just some of the gems that stand out and honestly I’d say 90% of the time things are fine and dandy but then you get those wonderful 10% folk: -You remind me of my daughter -Sounds interesting but I don’t deal with women -You sound like you really know your stuff, who are you gonna connect me with for the next steps? -I avoid your calls because I like listening to your voicemails on repeat, you have a really sexy voice -*dick pics* on the VOIP line (bless you RingCentral) -What’d you do to be VP, sleep with the boss? -You must have been handed your job to fill a diversity quota, what are your actual qualifications -You can’t come to this vendor meeting because “it’s a guys kind of thing”

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

TO FILL A DIVERSITY QUOTA?! Well, asshole, you must have your job so your company meets EOE standards- Fuckface.

SoldMySoul

Opinionated

VP of Sales

Considering it’s a female founded company, the comment made me laugh!

dryspongebob

Opinionated

Business Development Manager

I have had different experiences in different industries. All of the negative ones were very subtle, so let me share two.

Working for a big shot company in Fintech, I often had my male colleagues try and pawn off their work on me and paint it as a "but you are sooooo much better at this than I am" type of deal.

In Oil & Gas, I only ever witnessed males getting promoted. Not an exaggeration. There were lots of women working across all departments, but there was also a lot of unconscious bias at play - all of the people with enough power to promote anyone were men, so it was hard to change the status quo.

Kiona

Opinionated

Head of Business Development

"If you don't prioritize your life, someone else will"- Greg McKeown

^^THIS IS INSPIRATION TO LEAVE ANYWHERE NOT VALUING YOU!^^

A few memories....

"you must be the beauty, while they're the brains" - is this where the top 10 master degree should be referenced?

"I'll tell you my wifi password, but you have to promise not to report it to HR" - WTF, no thank you

"You should never wear heels that make you taller than any man in the room" - this was at an investment bank

"curly hair is unprofessional - take the extra time to straighten it" - also at the investment bank

"how do you stay so fit" - why? you are lazy, it's not hard to stay fit - its a lifestyle not a panacea

"I just wanted to say that you always look so nice in the office" - from an MD with grandkids my age

"im so proud of you I could grab your ass"

To anyone being marginalized at work - there is always a better option - don't stay somewhere where your CONTRIBUTION is not valued and paid for appropriately.

Also adding, that many of my male colleagues have made me feel valued by offering to come with me to late night drinks with prospects, especially in situations where they sniffed out sketchy behavior; and for telling me that they understand things suck, and they are there to ride out the suck with me. Their own commitment to me as a person, is why our team continues to crush it all the time.

CloudyWithAChanceOfQuota

Politicker

Corporate AE

Had a bunch of coworkers in my new hire group make super fucked up sexually charged comments towards me for weeks on end. I was the only girl in the group at the time. went to HR about it because it was seriously making me uncomfortable, and they told me that *because* I was the only girl, they were worried that if they did anything it would get worse since the group would know I reported them. I know no company is perfect but I thank the sales gods im no longer there and tell other female friends to run full speed away from that place.

CloudyWithAChanceOfQuota

Politicker

Corporate AE

Same company also had a manager who made jarring comments about me at a coworker's WEDDING in front of everyone. He lied and made up some weird story about me crying over a customer, which never happened. So stupid how women in this industry are constantly seen as sexual objects or big blubbering toddlers who are incapable of functioning without waterworks.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Wow. What the fuck... also the HR department's reaction sounds so much like they hire people straight out of college who don't know how to deal and don't have the support they need either to effectively complete their own job.

glad you got out!

SignThis_SalesGirl

Good Citizen

Director of Business Development

I'm the only woman and person of colour in this sales role in my company - across the country... I'm also the youngest. Maybe hiring me was a turn in the tides but it can get so bloody frustrating sometimes. Not only as a woman but as a person of colour... I'm lonely lol

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Ugh- I’m sure that’s a whole cross to bear on its own! Luckily, while you may be alone in your company, you have an entire community filled with comrades in the WR! 💪🏻

SignThis_SalesGirl

Good Citizen

Director of Business Development

Absolutely! It's lovely being a part of a community that I can vent to 👏🏽🙏🏽

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

Great article that is worth a read:

https://medium.com/@KirstyStricklan/why-men-should-stop-saying-notallmen-immediately-f657e244f7a1

I fully believe that the men here in the WR don’t ever intend to be sexist, and are good dudes. In the spirit of this post to foster positive discussions on the topic, this article pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject in a way that’s probably easier to understand. ✌️

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

I read the article and two of the commentors best summarize my thoughts on the subject:

1. #NotAllMen is not a meek cop-out, or a semantic word-play, but rather the requirement for improvement. The first step to finding any solution is to clearly and accurately identify the problem, isn’t it? Now, please explain to your audience how accusing and convicting half of the human race just based on the accident of birth is “clarifying” or “adding to the discussion or development”? Women alone will not be able to solve this problem. Men who respect women and who deeply believe in fair and safe society must step up and do everything they can to eradicate sexist and misogynistic behavior wherever they live or work. So prey tell how does your indiscriminate misandry help with this righteous cause?

2. Whilst men do need to stop saying this, the vast majority of times it happens is not in the way you describe, but as a response to women saying that men are the problem. Men are not the problem, violent criminals are the problem. If you stop saying men are the problem, then people won’t feel the need to counter with “not all men.” If you start saying rapists and murders are the problem, everyone will agree with you, and then no one wastes anytime with pointless arguments that get us nowhere.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Great find! This article really articulates the spirit of my post... it wasn't meant to be a lump generalization of man-hate. Actually, if you read my own experience that I commented, it was in regard to weaponizing my motherhood against me to get me to accept less pay. What I didn't highlight is that this was a female owned and operated company.

@CadenceCombat I think that unfortunately you thought you as an individual were being called out when the actual call out is the delta in lived experience. I can't say for sure- but I'd put money on the fact that you've never been locked in a room like @CuriousFox higlights above. Or been asked the questions that @Hudsonsmom has been asked while performing your job.

The point is less "men v women" and more a plea to "hear us, help us" because any one of the situations described in this thread likely wouldn't happen if a male-counterpart put their neck on the line to stand up for us. We don't need to recognize that #NotAllMen are dangerous, what we need is ALL MEN to recognize that women are put in dangerous positions (not just physically, emotionally, financially, mentally, etc.) on the regular during the course of performing our professional duties.

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

You couldn’t be more off @MrsTechSales about what you’ve extracted from my comments. I don’t feel called out in the least but at this point, I’m going to stop trying to explain myself and abstain from participating in these conversations going forward.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

I guess I don't know how to get us on the same page in this conversation, then.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Well, As a woman I do deal with a lot of shit that I shouldn't have to... Also- to me upvotes aren't sacred. I upvoted nearly all of your comments, yeah?

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Lol. Okay byeeeee...

@Incognito I appreciate your contributions- and while not every comment (or portion of a comment- can't believe that needs to be said...) resonates with me, I 100% appreciate that you're willing to suit up and go into battle on behalf of any and all of us.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

I do not understand what is happening here. Maybe that's a pitfall of text-only communication; obviously you and I both feel misunderstood by the other party continually. From your very first comment which I interpreted as entirely different than you described above, to current. What in the world about my last post is "insane". You say 'I'm out' and I respond accordingly to wrap things.

Then, I'm insane? Do you not see the parallels between what each female in this thread is highlighting and your dismissal of the challenging conversation?

I don't even understand what the appropriate response to any of your comments looks like to you. I don't know how to "win" in your eyes and be who you WANT on the other end of this keyboard. Unless you don't know either and are just hoping to light a match and walk out?

Allisce

Tycoon

Account Executive

More often Han not the top of the board is dominated by women at my company and that is great. Our sales management is dominated by men. I do get the smaller microagressions, is she too emotional, can she handle something else, etc. I feel like it keeps us in our exact place and only some more up. There is definitely a bias towards pretty young women in promotion, they get pulled up before much more qualified people. Guys get promoted much faster which is why most of the bosses are younger guys and I think why they pick pretty young super accommodating to their ego women to promote. Even still I am a top performer, but unsure of my growth. I'm tired of being told I'm too emotional but they love my passion, it's just coded language. I'm tired of the pretty young things and men being moved up after limited success, while many of us have been killing it at the top of the board for years. ughhhh

Blackwargreymon

Politicker

MDR

But don't you sell to HR? Not trying to downplay your experience, but I would think that the people you interact with are much different than, say, me who sells to construction firms.

Clashingsoulsspell

Politicker

ISR

However, prior to dealing with some of the situations I have faced- I would have been much better prepared if I had heard of other people's experiences.

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

I didn't see your post when I searched prior to posting. So, being respectful that you did post it; I don't think I understand the reason for a downvote when your OP was 3 months ago.

Is the expectation to resurrect that post? Also, as you'll see in my profile I don't really understand the reason for hate on similar posts. This isn't to be argumentative, just a different viewpoint, I guess.

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

I didn’t downvote you. I just didn’t upvote you because of similar posts already covering the topic but that downvote isn’t mine.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Oh, ok- I just assumed the DV was from you. My bad!!

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Also though- can you help me understand if that is the expectation- are we supposed to go back to the older threads? Have you seen anyone have success firing up new conversation on an old thread?

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

There are a few on here who get angry when we bring this up. Expect a few downvotes.

Which totally proves your point.

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

In short, no, I wouldn’t expect anyone to reignite a post from 3 months ago to discuss the same topic.

The reason I posted a link to my post covering the same topic is two-fold:

- Pointing you to a resource providing exactly what you’re asking for.

- As a man, I don’t like to be lumped within the category of ‘men in this community that don't seem to recognize the divergence between their lived experience and women's in this business’ and I know you’re not calling ME out specifically but I figured I would show you that some men are interested in understanding the differences / challenges between the sexes.

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

@CadenceCombat - you literally just proved her point with your comment.

As a man, deal with it. As a woman, I deal with a lot of shit that I shouldn't have to.

Dying on this hill with you @MrsTechSales !

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

@CadenceCombat I love that you're challenging your own thoughts with that post. Also, knowing now that you didn't DV me it makes more sense- I believe in anyone's right up UV or DV a topic, but I'm sure you can understand why I was *extra* confused when I thought that was the case.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Maybe that was a poor choice of words... instead of challenging your own thoughts I should have said 'challenging the status quo'. Either way, it doesn't go unnoticed. I believe that as long as the intent is to actually listen and turn what you hear into actionable intel, then we're all better off for it.

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

I didn’t say you’re an ignorant piece of shit. I’m trying to highlight that as women, we feel the way you’re feeling *all the time* and are expected to do what @MrsTechSales is doing - cheerfully back down when challenged.

I don’t do that very well, and from the looks of it, neither do you. Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone could be that way without one having a greater chance of success than the other?

I love that you made a post that encouraged women to share their perspectives. I don’t love that you’re getting super defensive when we actually *do*.

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

I never said anyone was “guilty of anything simply by virtue of being a man”. I took issue with *your comment*. If you were truly “open to minimizing your blind spots”, you wouldn’t put conditions on it.

And don’t feel special. There are plenty of upvotes and downvotes being shared equally.

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

I’m going to assume that your straw man argument is accidental because, believe it or not, I really value your contributions to the WR and I don’t think you’re a shitty person.

I’m still gonna call you out on your ad hominem attacks on me though.

Listen, I’ll be the first one to call bullshit on myself. However, I don’t think I’m wrong here.

sahil

Notable Contributor

Deepak Chopra of Sales

@Incognito @CadenceCombat - you are 2 of my favorite people here. I love your contributions to the WR, both within the context of dealing with sexism and outside of it.

If I can ask one thing as a friend, and it's something I believe in so much that people around me tire of hearing it: give each other the benefit of the doubt.

This is such a tough topic to discuss. I'm proud we are discussing it in the WR, where I want us to take on the realities of sales in every context. The stories I read here, as the father of an 8 month old daughter, and with a wife who was forced to change her legal name because of the combo of sexism and xenophobia she faced... this topic hits close to the heart.

Both of you are on the same side here. Could both parties have said what they did in a better way? Prolly. But we're human beings... we come flawed.

let's give each other the benefit of the doubt. If there's anything I've learned over the past 4 months, it's this: we can never outrun our past. We've all dealt with some shit, it makes us all a bit sensitive to specific things time and again.

love you both, and thanks for being part of the movement to make sales better for everyone. Fuck sexism. ❤️

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

✌️

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Catching up here, but wanted to let you know that my comment above was intended to convey in general "as long as the intent is to actually listen and turn what you hear into actionable intel, then we're all better off for it." Not specifically at you- more an attempt to recognize that there are those who virtue signal and there are those who are making a real quantifiable attempt and those people shouldn't get the same accolades because one is putting in the work.

Kind of like the companies who changed their logos to rainbows this month but don't actually have any tangible support for the community.

Either way, again that comment wasn't aimed at you or anything you've said- just sussing out the difference between real effort and phoning it in.

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

@sahil @GeneralCorp @BravadoMod the downvoting seems to be getting a bit out of hand - even beyond this thread. I get the downvoting tied to this topic as it's a hot one, but to downvote unrelated comments on unrelated threads is a bit ridiculous. Maybe I'm wrong - but I'm just giving feedback from what it appears to me from the notifications in the app. Thanks.

MR.StretchISR

Politicker

ISR

There is active discouragement about being a woman in sales, and often I'm the only woman on my team.

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If you are hired as a contract sales rep by a Bravado customer, we may ask you to prove access to the employee email account provided to you by that customer. This data will be shared with customers to track your sales productivity; customers can use this data to confirm you meet the minimum activity requirements to pay out your ramp stipend and commission.

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