Gut Punch: Ace many rounds of the interviews and then this happens.

Over a month ago, I connected with a rep at a company I wanted to work at and he introduced me to the hiring manager. We had one informal call and then one call to discuss my performance at past companies.


After that, we have a role-play with the manager and his director. I pass that role-play with flying colors and the manager is excited to have me onboard. He even texts me saying I did well on the role play and is excited to move me to the next step.


All the while, I am always emailing the manager and director days before the call to make sure we are on the same page with the agenda.


So two days ago, I was supposed to have a "final round" which would be me sharing a 30-60-90 day plan and running them through a deal I did along with the sales methodology used. It was going to be with the manager and the VP this time.


I send the agenda last week, many days before the interview, and confirm to see if they are good to go.


Past interviews had been recorded, I gave them permission to do so.


What actually happens.


All the effort put into preparing that 30-60-90 day plan as well as the deal walkthrough? Pointless.


VP gets on the call and tells me it will not be the final round, says he has listened to the recording.


On top of that, asks me the same questions about my performance the manager asks me and along the way, I get the feel that he is acting passive-aggressive.


Says comments like:


"Well you know it gets me that everyone wants to work for this company now that times are rough"


and


"Yeah you know some reps will just jump from job to job collecting a base"


Then for a next step.


They need to sync internally to make sure that they want to actually hire for the role and which direction they want to go.


Completely out of left field.


Like what the.....


I spent serious time preparing for the interviews they had put in front of me and seriously thought that it was going to be the final round this week until this nonsense happened. My goodness!


Months being unemployed, thought this would be it, great tenures for reps at the company, in-demand industry, and then this nonsense.


Now I know why people are getting so frustrated in this hunt.

๐Ÿ™ Mental Wellness
โ˜๏ธ Software Tech
๐Ÿ‘ฅ Hiring
21
oldcloser
Arsonist
8
๐Ÿ’€
This just hurts my head. Thing is, itโ€™s as bad on the inside as it is on the outside. Rampant incompetence. How can people like this, that claim to be so process and method oriented, just fail so miserably with running a fucking sales department. Sorry dude. Itโ€™ll be for the best.
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
3
AE
Yeah man. The thing is that the manager and I were really clicking well and everything. I was liking the role before this and thought that the final interview, once I ace it, will be my way out of unemployment and a chance to finally get at it.
There was so much right with this role but all it took was one interview and utter incompetence for me to just say screw it. It is getting to a point where I have been unemployed for over 6 months now and at some points, it gets to my head these days.
oldcloser
Arsonist
1
๐Ÿ’€
The process confirms every last bit of self-doubt that gets in our heads while going through it. โ€œMy resume isnโ€™t strong enough. My work history doesnโ€™t align with anything. Iโ€™ve not been successful enough to be in demand. Nobody can instantly understand my value. Maybe I have none.โ€

NONE OF IT IS REAL. Please remember that.
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
2
AE
I will, as of this week though, I am going to take the rest of it off and take a slight break from the job hunt. Yesterday's gut punch was just crushing given how it came out of left field.
oldcloser
Arsonist
0
๐Ÿ’€
Smoke'em if you got'em. Come back Monday and try again.
BigShrimpin
Politicker
4
Account executive
its unfortunate bit it beats working for a piece of work like that
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
0
AE
I know right. I could not imagine working for a company like this given the incompetence showed.
TennisandSales
Politicker
3
Head Of Sales
I understand why you are frustrated. to be told by your main POC that everything is good only to be blinded sided by the decision maker!


The hard truth? Those are totally legit questions / comments for the VP to make. now im sure he could have expressed his concerns in a less of a condescending way.

How did you respond to those comments? what did you say to him?

Those are the two make or break questions for him apparently.

And to be honest MANY leaders think that and interviewers should have answers to that. They should have a good story for why you make every move you made.
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
2
AE
I actually kept a smile and did not break frame in any of those interview questions. I told him about how I was thorough in my job hunt and why I specifically liked the company because of the industry it was in, how I could not afford to make another move that would result in a short stay, and I liked how the team was run.
Still, something about his tone seemed real passive-aggressive and off.
Like you ever talk to someone and walked out of that conversation feeling a bit weirded out because of how they carried themselves? Like the invisible and underlying theme of it all?
jefe
Arsonist
3
๐Ÿ
I've had those conversations, such a shite feeling. And this is a shite deal as well.

You should have confidence in yourself given everything that happened until the end, and use that momentum to get the next one.
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
1
AE
Looking like that is the move. Its just that the unemployment has indeed been longer than I would have planned and I am almost outta money.
jefe
Arsonist
2
๐Ÿ
I've been there. Too many of us have.

Keep that chin up - you got this, brother
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
1
AE
Thanks man
Charizard
Opinionated
3
Business Like Things
Guaranteed the VP is hiring โ€œone of their chosen peopleโ€
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
0
AE
That is the vibe I am getting
lowhangersalesbanger
Executive
2
Account Executive
Thatโ€™s the worst. I just finished a 8 month job hunt and this happened a few times along the way. At least they are showing who they are before you are already there
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
0
AE
Yeah, man. It is like here I am in a long and exhausting job hunt, it gets to the final stage which they told me and said it would be a final call. I am excited to ace the interview and start my new role. Then this happens.
Space_Ghost20
Executive
1
Account Executive
Yeah there's a lot of dysfunction right now that is mind boggling. I had a final round a month ago (the company approached me by the way, I didn't apply) and the sales manager and sales director (both of whom were in the interview) seemed completely at odds with what they were looking for. The manager expressed concerns about my lack of PEO experience and my lack of regional ties (as I moved here 2 years ago and am not originally from this area) while the director cut him off and said none of that mattered. I still spoke to the manager's objections because he was the ultimate decision maker, but that kind of public discord seemed odd to me.
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
0
AE
I wonder if it helps that moving forward, I can recap this and on an email ensure in writing before the interview what was said. That way, at least they know the discussion that was had.
Gasty
Notable Contributor
1
War Room Community Manager
This is just bad!! Complete nonsense. If they have to do this then might as well pull off a stunt like this in the beginning. It gets tough to face these situations specially after coming this close to the end. You're better than this. Something amazing is just around the corner. You know it. We know it.

Best of luck champ.

Also, if they need to sync internally, is there a gray area and timeline involved or you just know it's a closed door?


BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
1
AE
They said they would get back to me by end of week but at this point, I am just assuming it was a no. I think the VP on the call was just looking to play "gotcha" and I found it in poor taste since it was so close to the end.
Sunbunny31
Politicker
1
Sr Sales Executive ๐Ÿฐ
Do you still have the other potential company in play?
Which one was this? Cyber, or supply chain?
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
1
AE
The other one I am supposed to have an interview for but the whole sales team is at Kickoff. Lots of companies having these which is seriously screwing up getting a job and delaying stuff.
Sunbunny31
Politicker
1
Sr Sales Executive ๐Ÿฐ
Well, let's hope that one comes through for you, then. Sorry about the crapshow at the first.
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
1
AE
Yeah....it was truly a gut punch of a kind
Sunbunny31
Politicker
0
Sr Sales Executive ๐Ÿฐ
Iโ€™m sorry. It sucks.
Justatitle
Big Shot
1
Account Executive
the roller coaster just never seems to stop
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
0
AE
Bro tell me about it lol
crmsrawesome
Tycoon
1
Sr Enterprise AM for hire
That sucks. Iโ€™ve been told by HMโ€™s in interviews that I donโ€™t have Enterprise experience (only sold to Enterprise), I donโ€™t have AI experience (she nor anyone did until this last year and a half), and yesterday - why should I take the risk on you not having sold SaaS when I have a lot of candidates with more experience and knowledge of the accounts (he wouldnโ€™t cough up the names of those accounts and he just joined like 5 months ago) & get ghosted by the HMs peer this morning (and the AVP who I connected with on LI put me in the process).
Itโ€™s the Wild West but like all things this will change. Best of luck and keep your head up.
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
0
AE
Doing just that man. I know times sound tough but we are going to make it!
1
Retired Sales Professional
BA sorry to hear this went down like this, it really shouldn't be this bad. It's a brutal process that you all have to go through in order to land a position in this industry and to top it all off you have someone at the helm that forgotten what it took to get up to that ivory tower. The VP sounds like a very insecure and toxic individual and perhaps it's for the best that you don't work for someone like that. If there is a silver lining it would be that you will be ready for the next hunt. The hard work you put into your 30-60-90 will be something that you will have already have for the next interview. Don't let this get you down, I understand the frustration, but dust your feet off, boots to the ground, chin up and let's slam dunk the next one. All the best.
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
0
AE
Yeah, it is tough out there with the economy but also the fact that I am burning through my savings and near the end of them right now.
Phillip_J_Fry
Opinionated
1
Director of Revenue
Sorry dude, that's rough.
I dont think I'll ever do another 30/60/90 for this exact reason. I spend hours researching your company, the industry, ICP's, competitors, just to be told that someone else got picked over me?
It's sales. It's not that complicated. I'm going to call into the accounts I own and try to book meetings with decision makers to see if our product fits a need.
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
1
AE
I did put time into that plan too, its sad but hey, I am taking this week off.
Diablo
Politicker
0
Sr. AE
Sorry to hear day; going through very similar experience so I feel you. All the best!
FeelItInMyPlums
Valued Contributor
0
Sales Account Executive
Quick call him out publicly on LinkedIn for being a prick :D ! (don't actually do that)
Kosta_Konfucius
Politicker
0
ERP Sales
I am so sorry to hear this, this is horrible
BitcoinAddict
Opinionated
0
AE
Yeah but gotta keep building pipeline
cw95
Politicker
0
Head of SDR
As people said, sounds like a classic 'I need to speak to you and interview to show i'm open to external hires but really my mate is going to get this gig and I don't care what anyone says'
6

After a final interview round, what's the best way to let recruiters know that you kinda need to know about their decision asap ?

Advice
12
18

How many rounds of interviews do sales people go through on average

Question
21
14

Hiring managers, what do you like to hear in an interview to "Tell me about a time you lost a deal"

Question
21