TheRealPezDog

Sr. Business Development Manager

Help/Advice wanted about the vax

I figured this is a good forum for this question cuz ya'll anonymous.

Should I get the vaccine if I have a bad gut feeling about it causing long term health side effects? Seriously, the only reason I am even considering this jab is PURELY based on societal pressure. I have a great fucking immune system and I am not all afraid of dying from COVID, not a single ounce. The fact that I can't sue the manufactures later on if I get fucking cancer or some shit is pure BULLSHIT and makes me want to not take it however I feel like it's either get the fucking jab or get looked at like an asshole and get my freedom taken away with these fucking passports everyone keeps talking about.

Politics aside, what the fuck should I do? Just get the jab and risk it or stand firm in my belief that it is potentially dangerous and my future self is totally fucked?

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chubbspeterson

Politicker

Business Development

I have zero medical background, but if you're confident that your immune system can handle covid, I think you should be equally confident that it can hold up against any "potential side effects" of a vaccine.

TheRealPezDog

Notable Contributor

Sr. Business Development Manager

Good call! And great name too!

chubbspeterson

Politicker

Business Development

haha thanks. and lot's of good replies in here, do what feels right for you, it's your body

GDO

Politicker

BDM

This is a bit of a skewed reasoning.

I got vaccinated btw

CoorsKing

WR Officer

Retired King of the Coors Knights

Talk to your doctor, not a bunch of soulless caffeinated assholes on the Internet. None of us have medical degrees, and so none of us can offer you valid advice.

TheRealPezDog

Notable Contributor

Sr. Business Development Manager

My doctor is like the Fauci of local news around here, I already know what that soulless asshole is gonna say... I am more or less looking for guidance from you sons-a-bitches because I don't trust the "experts" I want to discuss this with regular folks like myself.

CoorsKing

WR Officer

Retired King of the Coors Knights

Then, to me, it sounds more like you have already made up your mind and are just looking for validation.

Again, when it comes to anything medical, I would not listen to a single thing anybody in this forum says, and I’d talk to your doctor.

CaneWolf

Politicker

Call me what you want, just sign the damn contract

Around, no exaggeration, 99.99% of doctors are recommending that people get the vaccine. In the United States, 99.5% of the recent deaths are from unvaccinated people.

Long COVID is terrifying:

- https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/olympics/olympic-athletes-battling-long-covid-im-really-struggling-to-exercise-still/ar-AAMoa0h
- https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/magazine/long-covid-nightmare.html
- https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/23/health/long-covid-symptoms.html

Do you know why we don't have measles, polio, smallpox, etc., outbreaks anymore? Because people get those vaccines.

funcoupons

WR Officer

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In all fairness, at least in Canada nurses and physicians that publicly express hesitancy about getting the vaccine are losing their jobs and having their medical licenses threatened, so it's really not surprising that most medical professionals are supporting it publicly. Just something to consider.

CaneWolf

Politicker

Call me what you want, just sign the damn contract

That's decidedly not occurring in the US. You have to say some whackadoo shit to even have a sliver of a chance of that happening here and you're probably still fine.

funcoupons

WR Officer

👑

That's good to know. Unfortunately not the same here.

CaneWolf

Politicker

Call me what you want, just sign the damn contract

We disagree on that being unfortunate.

SharpEleven

Executive

Account Executive

Damn son just get the vaccine and be done with it.

TheRealPezDog

Notable Contributor

Sr. Business Development Manager

Love it

Rallier

Politicker

SDR Manager and Consultant

Absolutely don't take a bunch of advice from salespeople. None us are doctors. Talk to somebody who actually knows what they are talking about.

SaaSguy

Tycoon

Account Executive

Science says vaccine is safe. What sources that aren't social media are leading you to believe that it's potentially dangerous?

TheRealPezDog

Notable Contributor

Sr. Business Development Manager

mainly the fact that they have immunity from future lawsuits. Why would they take that step if the vaccine was safe? Seems to me like the only logical reason for them taking that approach is if they are UNSURE that it is safe... like, it hasn't been studied long enough (I don't need a source to know it hasn't been studied and vetted for long term side effects)

SaaSguy

Tycoon

Account Executive

I sell software and in our service agreement we have a clause about immunity from litigation. Doesn't mean my software is bad.

Wanna.Be.Rick.Spielman

Valued Contributor

Account Executive

@SaaSguy that was a great comeback that I have never thought about....

TheRealPezDog

Notable Contributor

-4

Sr. Business Development Manager

Does your software potentially cause cancer?

RealEstateVeep

Politicker

VP of Real Estate

Sun, water and air cause cancer. Do you eat no processed foods? Only organic? Do you eat red meat, that's a carcinogen currently on the same category as tobacco. How about drinking?

Fuck off with the cancer thing that's not a reason whatsoever.

quickdrawyall

Fire Starter

Sales Specialist

Well I intend to litigate the sun if I get skin cancer later on in my life

funcoupons

WR Officer

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Don't do anything based on what others might say/think...always go with your gut, and what you truly believe. This is a personal decision and one you have to make for yourself.

I don't mind putting it out there that I've decided not to get vaccinated for the time being. I'm not anti vax, I have received other vaccinations with no issue. However, this treatment is very new and I'm waiting to see results of some studies on longer term side effects before I make my decision. I too am young and at very low risk of being seriously affected by COVID and am fairly sure I had it at the end of 2019 before it was a thing so I likely have antibodies anyway. I also have a family member who is currently in the hospital experiencing some very severe side effects from the vaccine (her doctors have confirmed it was an adverse reaction so I'm not just guessing or assuming,) so I'm also wary because of that.

As for vaccine passports...at this point I'm not allowed to do some things that vaccinated people are, like go to a concert or visit certain countries but I don't see that as good enough reason to rush into a decision so I'm fine with it. The vaccine passport thing will not last forever.

Hope that helps.

SaaSam

Politicker

Account Executive

My sister is a nurse and in the same boat. Decided not to get it and is pretty open about that fact as there have been some suggestions that it may effect fertility, she simply doesn't want to risk that.

funcoupons

WR Officer

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One of my concerns as well, as I haven't had kids but want them in the future.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

I keep hearing these people tout that it doesn't affect fertility and it drives me crazy. To make such a statement is disingenuous, there's not enough data points to make such a claim (yet). Also, each individual's biology differs so while there may not be a statistical significant correlation, that doesn't mean 'never' and if you're in sales you likely KNOW NOT TO SPEAK IN ABSOLUTES!

**steps down from soapbox**

SaaSam

Politicker

Account Executive

Exactly my sister's point. I'm not vaccinated either as I don't see it as something I need given there's still a decent chance of still contracting the virus. By no means am I anti vax but I also wouldn't take a pill that someone hands me if the jury is still out on potential side affects

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

I think the misinformation stems from the very real side effect it has on women’s mensuration immediately following the second dose. No one is really talking about that, but it’s very real and happened to me. I’m 100% fine after that initial first period, and I know several other women experienced something similar. If we knew what to expect, I think it would go over much better. Like with the fevers.

UserNotFound

Politicker

-1

Account Executive

I got it for super stupid reasons (one of my biggest prospects was requiring it for meetings, I was on the fence anyway and that pushed me over. Really happy I won the biz- haha) But can tell you it has 100% messed with me. I'm not sure if you're male or female... but I'm confident you get what I'm saying. Ha!

funcoupons

WR Officer

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I've heard of other women having weird periods following the vaccine as well...has any explanation been given as to why a vaccine would mess with a woman's cycle? I haven't heard of this happening before (except with hormonal medications and in that case the reason is obvious.)

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

It would make sense to me with the clotting (I have a predisposition for that from genetics). There was this really great article about it, though.

https://slate.com/technology/2021/04/covid-vaccines-periods-menstruation-side-effects.html

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

I'm not sure about the "why" but mine have been exceptionally painful. I've had 3 kids and can confidently compare it to mid-stage labor. Also cycling about every 45-50 days now instead of 30-35, which is really bizzarre I think. (I should note: I don't take/have any form of BC).

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

Thank you! Saving to read later... every month I google it to see if they've found any correlation because it's so painful. But after a few days I forget and move on. Still worth being able to go wherever I want!

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

Have you seen an OBGYN? I got a full ultrasound - internal and external. I also have endometriosis and fibroids as well.

UserNotFound

Politicker

Account Executive

I haven't, I really need to schedule my annual but I hate it so much... lol.

TheRealPezDog

Notable Contributor

Sr. Business Development Manager

It does, thank you!

funcoupons

WR Officer

👑

You're welcome.

TheRealPezDog

Notable Contributor

Sr. Business Development Manager

I love you fuckers, no matter what, thank you for sharing your opinions and please know that I value them. For what it's worth I would absolutely get it if I could sue the manufacturers in the event that I have an adverse reaction. I probably will get it anyway so I stop getting bullied. Here's to hoping it doesn't kill me young!

funcoupons

WR Officer

👑

Just curious...who's bullying you? You know you don't have to talk about it with anyone, right?

RealEstateVeep

Politicker

-1

VP of Real Estate

I'm strongly pro vaccine. Especially when you see the "neanderthal" states of Texas and Florida struggling SO badly right now (although it does make me laugh now). That said, don't get it simply because you're getting bullied.

avocadobegood

Valued Contributor

MM Account Executive

sounds like you've got your mind made up if you don't trust your doctor and are asking an anonymous internet forum of idiot salespeople what do to.

that's your prerogative to not get the jab, but keep in mind that you needed proof of vaccination for any number of shit to go to school as kid or certain shots to travel internationally (malaria, smallpox, etc). it's not a new thing, at all.

it's a personal choice as we're blessed to live in a free country - just wish more folks like yourself would see the common good that getting the jab can do instead of framing it as societal pressure. but again, no judgement - that's your choice as i'm vaxxed and won't lose sleep over it.

i wish more folks would read about the 2nd wave of the spanish flu though - this shit ain't over as badly as we (vaxxed, waxxed, or none of the above) all want it to be - https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence

TheRealPezDog

Notable Contributor

Sr. Business Development Manager

Once it has ACTUAL FDA approval like all of those others you mentioned I will consider taking it, until then I am simply opting out of the clinical trial

SandwichMan

Catalyst

BDR Team Lead

Like most of the others are saying on here, I'd take any advice from this thread with a whole shaker of salt.

My 2 cents, I'm not scared by how quickly the vaccine was developed. Covid presented a new threat of extinction if we did nothing about it, so everything else was put on hold in the vax/genomic research community and all of this energy was put towards the vaccine. The timeline makes a lot of sense IMO.

friendlyginge

Politicker

Account Executive

I used to be against getting the vaccine for the same reasons but needed it to go back to the office. Now that we’ve seen what happens when folks don’t get vaxxed, I think those who are able should get it (of course there are always exceptions and that is between you and your doctor). I would be absolutely devastated if we had to lock down again, last year was the worst year of my life and I want to keep our freedoms

RealEstateVeep

Politicker

VP of Real Estate

I think your likelihood of dying from COVID is FAR greater than any long term negative side effect from the shot but you’re welcome to make your own choices when it comes to healthcare. Personally, I think it’s stupid not to especially when you see who’s going through it right now - the unvaccinated people.

Chep

WR Officer

Bitcoin Adoption Specialist

Only got it because my work made it mad easy to get and they were offering the J&J so it was one and down. Can confirm I felt like shit the next day but I did play pick-up basketball the next day so I clearly didn't feel that shitty.

Overall, if you feel healthy I say don't get it unless that passport thing becomes legit. Everyone has a different risk tolerance and from what I can see in your post it appears like you do not need it unless these covid passports become a thing.

Incognito

WR Officer

Master of Disaster

Get the fucking vaccine. I’m tired of living in a bubble. I’m sure everyone else is too. I’m glad you think you have an amazing immune system. Others do not. By not getting it, you’re causing them harm. You want freedom? We all do. Freedom from Covid. There is only one way that is gonna happen.

TheRealPezDog

Notable Contributor

Sr. Business Development Manager

If vaccinated people can also spread it then tell me who I am unnecessarily harming other than potentially myself? Also it’s looking like the vaccine is useless anyway…

Wanna.Be.Rick.Spielman

Valued Contributor

Account Executive

@TheRealPezDog you would be harming people that don't have the same immune system as you, even if they have been vaccinated. The vaccine is to protect others, not yourself. So if you have not been vaccinated but friends have been, you can still infect them. That is why reaching herd immunity is so important. Obviously, I totally think it is something to talk with medical professionals on, but I am just giving my two cents because the question was asked.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

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That is something you need to discuss with your practitioner and your family. Ultimately you are the only one that can make that decision.

HappyGilmore

Politicker

Account Executive - SMB

Similar to what people have said, talk to your medical professional and get their opinion and do some solid research on the Internet, not just listen to what people should tell you to do.

Personally got the vaccine myself, however each person has the right to do what's best for them, no judgement coming from me whatever you decide to do.

The vaccine passports on the other hand, that's something I have some serious mixed feelings on.

StringerBell

Politicker

Account Executive

Except it’s not just about you - it’s about protecting others. You could get it keep passing it on. Fucking unvaccinated going to keep this going on forever. Can’t believe this is the highest voted answer.

harebrained

Politicker

Enterprise Account Executive

I mean.. if something bad does happen we'll all be part of the biggest class action lawsuit ever - and they'll probably work hard to mitigate any issues. But my medical professional friends say vaccine side effects are usually pretty immediate. Who f*cking knows, I'm happy to have my freedom back.

StringerBell

Politicker

Account Executive

You get the vaccine to also protect others. That shouldn’t be a difficult concept to grasp. If you truly don’t give a shit that you will not only pass it on to to someone more vulnerable or worse, help create new variants, then I guess that’s you exercising your ‘freedom’. Just know that it makes you an asshole also.

VineMic

Executive

Account Executive

@TheRealPezDog First of all this is your choice. No matter what anyone tells you it's your choice as to whether you choose to get a jab or not. Second, we're not doctors but nobody should be bullying you on this forum to get it, so you do you. Third, for anyone that has something to say, unless you're a qualified professional, your opinion is as good as asking an accountant how to be a good sales rep... Everyone has an opinion but are just not even close to being a qualified professional!

Stay safe either way and hope everyone on this forum and their families don't get sick.

No pressure, no stress, the hell with what people have to say @TheRealPezDog this is your choice, not anyone elses.

BallerOfTheYear

Arsonist

Señor Biz Dev

Dawg, the question “what should I do” is rhetorical.

You already know you don't need it, you admit the only reason you’d get it is societal pressures, and even if you don’t think it’ll kill you, you’re aware that there could be terrible side effects that most people don’t even have the courage to consider.

It’s no one’s business what you decide, don’t let the mob tell you that you need to do anything.

Your body your choice!

TheRealPezDog

Notable Contributor

Sr. Business Development Manager

Thanks! Great advice.

pinkiesup

Catalyst

My doctor recommends against it - he's seen side effects from his patients that are permanent. Long-term heart failure for one. He's not anti-vax either.

TheRealPezDog

Notable Contributor

Sr. Business Development Manager

Scary shit man

pinkiesup

Catalyst

whistleblowers are recently coming out about VAERS data. estimated vax deaths ~50k. Do what you want to your body, but having an informed decision is always the best way to go!

Allisce

Tycoon

Account Executive

you realize VAERS data is self reported and does not have follow up on to true cause. I was opted in and could. have clicked any side effect I wanted whether it was true or not. also when it comes to people dying because the vaccine I feel like they are falling into the classic correlation equals causation trap

Gyro25

Notorious Answer

Account Executive

I got 1/2 Pfizer shots. I'm hesitant to get my 2nd tbh. Not to toot my horn, but I'm pretty damn healthy. I eat well, get vitamin D, train, do jiu jitsu and lift weights. However, with younger people getting this shit, it's makes me a bit wary about whether I should hold out. I'm in no place to judge, but I'd reach out to a medical professional about your concerns, not a bunch of degenerates like us.. Lol

cw95

Politicker

Head of SDR

I have had asthma all my life, not too bad so that I need to be really careful but anything can set it off.

Since lockdown, I have been isolating and being cautious just in case.

Due to having asthma, I have the normal flu vaccine every winter without knowing what's in it so I have taken that approach.

If it helps with mental health and the anxiety that it brings, consider it, but also think do I? Why I say that is because you are you. But the Gov isn't going to lie. If I thought it would hurt me and affect my asthma I wouldn't do it.

paddy

WR Officer

Director of Business Development

All I can say is that jet fuel can't melt steal.

GrindingSales

Politicker

Account Executive

You are kind of going from societal pressure to getting anonymous peer influence. Only you know what you are comfortable with, but like most are saying, you need to go to an expert and hash it out.

Wolfof7thStreet

Valued Contributor

I am not a medical professional, or amature. but that said, just get the vaccine. if it makes you less likely to spread it, isnt that enough? If you can fight off this virus, you can fight off the vaccine

justatopproducer

Politicker

VP OF SALES -US

No, listen to your gut if thats how you feel. I believe im in the same boat as you on the immune side (only sick days i take are hangovers) Also, no politics aside.. if you’re healthy and confident in your immune system do not get jabbed once twice or three times. Lol. Do you take care of your health so your neighbor doesnt get obese? Do you workout and eat right so a co-worker doesnt get aids or cancer? No, why would you get a vaccine for a virus you don’t have and it isn’t proven to stop you or anyone else from getting it either. No medical degree, but I was pre-med, and have many friends that work in healthcare and they say follow your gut and do what you think is right. Most of all dont judge anyone else for having it or not. Hope this belps

EdwardBlake

Good Citizen

SBDR

Used to feel the same way myself. I ended up getting the jab. Why? The same reason I wear a mask. Like Batman said: "The mask isn't for you, it's to protect those you care about". The vaccine is the same way. I'd rather have lifelong gonorrhea than giving potential fatal covid to someone I care about.