It just baffles me...
That's the post.
How do incompetent people get into leadership?
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well as the old saying goes.. "sometimes it's not who you know... it's who you bl...."
They don't cater to the masses.
But to the higher managements' as*es
But to the higher managements' as*es
Just realized you beat me to this one.
hahah all good. I thought it was hilarious. DOUBLE THE BLOW
1. Be an ex-frat guy 2. Be full of BS and love the sound of your own voice 3. Know the right person to buy that BS.
It's a fraternity you GDI.
LOL
So well said
Thankfully it is slowly dying down in SaaS, the ex-frat guy stuff at least. I have been lucky to avoid it at major corps I have been a part of.
Peter principle
This right here! I think the problem is people forget to grow when they get that promotion.
Go along to get along. People survive and float upwards by not challenging other leaders
Failing up is one of those conundrums which have baffled the wise and the capable since the beginning of time.
Even more true at startups where competency does not matter.
being in the right place at the right time can really help those ppl.
i was in an org where the VP of sales, director and sales and sales managers all quit.
the senior AE was made VP OF SALES! like WTF!!!
i was in an org where the VP of sales, director and sales and sales managers all quit.
the senior AE was made VP OF SALES! like WTF!!!
That is just scary to think of, I have known some AEs who would be scary toxic as leaders.
RIGHT? in this example, he ended up doing a fairly solid job. which is really impressive. but you can for sure tell that he had never done this before and kinda had no idea what he was doing hah
Upward failure is a real thing.
So. Damn. Real.
And then cost of failing in upwards? This needs to be talked about
Failing forward is real - just part of the simulation loopholes
It's not about who you know but who you blow.
It's often a prerequisite.
because the skillset to GET a job is a different skillset to DO a job. Failing upward is VERY easy. They're not incompetent, they're good at what they do, which isn't their job.
Agree. You get where you spend your focus and energy- but then problem is you have optimised to for pitching not for execution and delivery. All for what? Because doing a “good job” is never enough to be noticed
ah I´m incompetent so there´s still hope for me :D
It’s tradition
It is an age old question.
Incompetent people get into leadership because the competent people don’t event apply😂.
But seriously why should one get into leadership?
1.)Being the manager you get less authentic feedback from field than you want.
2.) Your ego becomes even bigger enemy slowing your own growth.
3.) Unless you are bootstrap founder - in leadership, role you are never in state of freedom to have it your way and do things that have never been done.
4.) To be part of the club of cool guys , you inflate your lifestyle too (a path that has no U-turn)
5.) Yes you get to see perspectives that are only seen from top of the mountain (board? Leadership team?) but when you are at the top there is very less oxygen 😅 so you spend your energy thinking survival with no motive to serve others (unless there is tax break for the cause)
So for what?
Because there is no way to increase your income and status unless you look for the promotion to that mgr path. The corporate growth is easily defined and visible in hierarchical growth.
If you give me some more ways to double the income and status while staying IC - I will not climb that stupid corporate ladder to fail as a manager.
And the only such role is being in sales - so we are grateful (at least for now)
But seriously why should one get into leadership?
1.)Being the manager you get less authentic feedback from field than you want.
2.) Your ego becomes even bigger enemy slowing your own growth.
3.) Unless you are bootstrap founder - in leadership, role you are never in state of freedom to have it your way and do things that have never been done.
4.) To be part of the club of cool guys , you inflate your lifestyle too (a path that has no U-turn)
5.) Yes you get to see perspectives that are only seen from top of the mountain (board? Leadership team?) but when you are at the top there is very less oxygen 😅 so you spend your energy thinking survival with no motive to serve others (unless there is tax break for the cause)
So for what?
Because there is no way to increase your income and status unless you look for the promotion to that mgr path. The corporate growth is easily defined and visible in hierarchical growth.
If you give me some more ways to double the income and status while staying IC - I will not climb that stupid corporate ladder to fail as a manager.
And the only such role is being in sales - so we are grateful (at least for now)
Sometimes they are just there long enough to fail up
Happens more times than not… Success in sales and success in leadership are very different skill sets. Most do not get that FACT.
Sometimes tenure wins
they relate to the right people i guess
there are not incompetent people, there are people with skills you are not able yet to conceive!!
Watch Simon Sinek Performance vs Trust youtube video. It explains it all... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJdXjtSnZTI
You know what, I always thought that the skill and providing business value is the most important. However, I would say that as an employee, your goal is to make your superiors happy and make them think of you as someone who can do stuff. Being smart and cunning definitely will help you throughout your career.
Make friends with the owner of the company and wear very high heels. To me ridiculous a whole fleet of excellent sales professionals made an Exodus after that
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