I want to work overseas

Hey WR fam.


I work for a mid sized SaaS company in the US as an AE, been here for 3 years. For many personal and professional reasons, I want to work abroad in EMEA or APJ, and the sooner the better. Thing is, my company isn't big enough to have strong presence in those regions yet. I've spoken to the higher ups who manage international business and putting more reps in country is on their 12 month roadmap, but it's vague and we know how priorities can change. The VP suggested I could start by helping out with the international business sort of as an AM role in addition to my regular job.


Seems like I have a couple options:

  1. Stay at my current company, continue grinding it out, help out with the international business, and hope that within 1 year or so they'd be ready to place me as a field AE overseas

Pros: I’ve built leverage at my company. Can continue selling what I know best already. Would have first mover advantage penetrating basically untouched markets for the company = big $$?

Cons: No promise my company will be ready to expand internationally within a year... Would need to put in a lot of extra hours supporting the int'l business and doing my own work.


  1. Start fresh - get hired as an AE at a much bigger company locally (Docusign, SFDC, MSFT, etc), grind it out for 1-2 years, and ask to be transferred to an international office

Pros: 30%+ pay bump as an AE at a bigger company. More stable career options down the pipe

Cons: New products, new company etc. Will push my abroad timeline by another 2 years or more.


Would love to hear your feedback and also hear any stories if you/your peers have done something similar.


Cheers!


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SADNES5
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You need to be sponsored by most countries local company. Or have a right to work (another passport). It will be nearly impossible to get a permanent work visa without following the new local immigration policies. 
ChunkyButters
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Do you want to WORK overseas, or do you want to LIVE overseas?

Sounds like option 1 is going to be the fastest, but some other commenters pointed out great additions. Speaking a foreign language, visas, visa sponsorship/cost, etc. are all a factor.
theweeknd
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Account Executive
I want to live overseas. I want to get absorbed into a foreign culture. Ideal scenario would be I’m a hybrid AE say based in Singapore and I’d be meeting customers within/surrounding countries. 

From your perspective what’s the difference between working and living overseas?

ChunkyButters
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Difference for me would be the why.

If you want to work it might be for tax, financial, security, etc.
If you want to live it could be for location, lifestyle, etc.

This can impact the jobs you're looking for, the market, location, and could be requirements. Living overseas does keep you open to more international prospects. Working overseas could limit you based on HQ to meet specific requirements.
braintank
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Do you speak a foreign language? Regardless of which option you choose having conversational proficiency will up your chances tremendously.
theweeknd
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I do have basic proficiency in an Asian language but nothing I can use in a business sense. That being said, I do plan to take Mandarin lessons and get myself up to intermediate proficiency in 6 months. 
Diablo
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Whats your goal out of working for international market? 
theweeknd
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Good question. Been a life goal of mine. Was born in and grew up in what I would call a mid tier city. Lived at home with the rents all my life. Had a fair number of family work abroad or go to school abroad and the life experiences they gained is what I’m after. 

It’s something I know if I don’t at least try, I’m going to regret it when I’m old. I can’t imagine myself staying in my hometown my whole life. 
Diablo
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You might want to look at companies that have their wings in other countries then. Visa sponsorship is something that many companies don't agree to nowadays unless that skill set is not available in their country. Might want to look at becoming a PR in your dream country.

All the best champ!
theweeknd
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Thank you sir! 
GDO
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Get hired in the uk/irl/Singapore,… you just need English language and experience. You have both
theweeknd
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Thanks GDO... Did you make a similar relocation move? Would love to hear it
Tres
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Out of the 2 options, I'd stick with option 1. It's still likely a faster route to go through your current employer than starting fresh somewhere else. I made a similar move and it took about 2 years of planning, visa paperwork etc, so I don't think you are in a bad spot now if you get some international AM responsibility and document in your goals/career path that you want to make the move next year. Keep in mind too that certain countries will be much easier to get to than others based on the visa. If international moves aren't common in your company they may not be very experienced with the visa process. Thankfully when I made the move my company hired a visa expert to guide us through the process - I'd recommend planting that seed now. There's a lot of things that can slow down an international move, so keep pushing for it, but have realistic expectations that it'll take a while. 
theweeknd
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Appreciate the response. I agree, sticking with my current employer would be best case. Thing is we’re not quite there yet on an international level, and it’s that ambiguity that’s making me look elsewhere. International moves are not common in my company - I think just a few execs were relocated. About 90% of our revenue comes from US. 

Where did you move to and from? 

I’ve been thinking about Singapore.  
Tres
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I moved from the US to Australia. Singapore would be a great spot, that's a hub for APAC for a lot of companies. Especially in Saas like you mentioned, there should be a lot of opportunities there. I don't know specifics on Singapore visas, which might be the challenge. You could look for roles there, but that might be harder to get a company to sponsor you. Does your company have competitors physically based there? It could be a way to make a stronger case you need to have presence there, and make a compelling business justification of why they need to send you. 

Also, I'll make a plug for AU here - very livable and a fun place to be. It's an easy transition from the US and lots of Americans in tech make that move (I knew dozens when I was there). Sydney and Melbourne are both incredible cities to both live and work in. 
theweeknd
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Thanks Tres. That's a great point you made about bringing up our competition there as leverage. We have a number of American competitors that are pushing hard on SG/int'l plans, with local offices. Cybersecurity is ramping up globally. 

Did you have to make a strong business case on why they should relocate you to AU? Was it more of a lateral transfer or promotion? As in, they needed a sales leader/senior and they wanted to leverage your skillset at their AU office. 

I've done research on SG work visa's. SG gvt is more likely to give visas out to more senior roles/highly specialized skills. If I tried applying to SG jobs now, I feel that with my 3 years of Saas experience, it would be hard for them to justify a sponsorship. Curious to hear how your transfer went. Thank you!!

Tres
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In my case I wanted to move to another country for the experience, regardless of the role. I was able to find a good role internally and it ended up being a promotion once I got there.  

Another point I just remembered - they may ask you for a commitment of x numbers of years to get ROI on the cost of sending you over, so make sure you know how long you would want to stay, and that may impact the type of visa as well. 

I knew I only wanted to be abroad for 2 years so that limited some of the scope of what I was looking for and ultimately put a ceiling on what I could accomplish while I was there. 
theweeknd
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Another great point on the ROI commitment. Your feedback has honestly helped me line up my decision making and planning. 
Many thanks Tres!!
Tres
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Working abroad was such an amazing experience, definitely the highlight of my career so far, so I'm glad to help you one step closer to that goal!
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DataSlangah
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Living, working, and visiting are all very different things.  I played rugby in South Africa for a couple of seasons.  It was a culture shock. I often travel to fun cities because of the line of business - NYC, SF, London, etc.  I always think it would be awesome to live here.  Then I talk to my friends colleagues that live there, and they have the same problems I have where I live.  I also think it is fun to live places when I go on vacation.  You just have to remember, you are on vacation and that isn't real life.     
theweeknd
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Very fair comment. At a previous job I was doing international sales and was sent to Asia and Europe on a yearly basis for different events. Part of what fuels my desire. I was at these locations for ~2 weeks at a time and just thought how awesome it would be to live there. 
You're right though, the same problems exist no matter where you're living. Thanks for your 2 cents! 
cw95
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