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Job-Hopping: Are you for or against it? Why?

I've had conversations with people that think job-hopping is THE worst thing to do. And I've also talked with people that are totally for it and only see the benefits of jumping ships.

What are your thoughts?

I'm for job-hopping. If you are unhappy for whatever reason at your current job, then you should go find something better that will make you happy. Carpe Diem, just don't burn bridges. I also think that, in like a decade, the stigma around job-hopping won't be as bad.

Are you for or against job-hopping?

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WR Officer

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I won't hesitate to leave a job for a better opportunity - loyalty has no place when it comes to $$$. That said, I do my absolute best to make sure the role I'm applying for is going to be a good fit long term out of respect for my own time and the company's.

Nairobi

Politicker

Preach! Other than asking great questions during your interviews, do you do other things to make sure the company is a good fit long term? I'm thinking of starting to ask the opinions of ex-employees.

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WR Officer

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Talking to present/past employees is ideal for sure. I really just grill them during my interview and take some time to think about whether the position truly makes sense for me.

Nairobi

Politicker

Whenever we'll have DMs you shall see me in there lol I need to be better at grilling interviewers.

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WR Officer

👑

Haha ok deal, slide on in!

eds

Opinionated

Salesy

amen

JuicyKlay

Celebrated Contributor

Life’s too short not to be working for somebody and someone you want to work for. If you were to die tomorrow, would you really care about your resume? As long as you’re a hard skilled worker, do the right thing, and have solid references - work where you want to work when you want to work.

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WR Officer

👑

If you died today your employer would have the ad up for your replacement tomorrow.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

IF they don't already have it up without your knowledge now 👀

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WR Officer

👑

True...the streets be cold as ice out here...

JuicyKlay

Celebrated Contributor

Y’all know that’s the truth! At the end of the day all employees are just a number

goose

Politicker

Sales Executive

I know a guy who was looking for a job and found his exact job posted. He wasn't in sales but still...

funcoupons

WR Officer

👑

Awkward.

Nairobi

Politicker

Yep, the CEO of my first startup told me that we were just numbers to him lol

looper1010

Celebrated Contributor

Solutions Specialist

There is no such thing as company loyalty. If it makes *your* life better, go for it!

goose

Politicker

Sales Executive

Just don't "go for it" every 4 to 6 months or you will definitely see your future prospects diminish (unless you are embellishing your past experiences somehow).

jwils

Politicker

Sales Manager

Against the term "job hopping." In this day and age, if someone joins early stage startup, they're encouraged to enjoy the "risk" "hustle" and "Grind," but then the same people who encourage that also judge people for leaving orgs that failed after only being there a year.
Why should you stay with a sinking ship?

Nairobi

Politicker

Exactly, plus the environment at a sinking ship is horrible, it doesn’t get more toxic than that. I was in one.

detectivegibbles

Politicker

Sales Director

For it...IF...it levels you up in your job, your life, etc.

Essentially, if it makes you happier.

Nairobi

Politicker

I’d be very surprised if I met someone that was leaving for something worse than what they have. But we never know, there are always dumbasses out there.

SmallySmalls

Opinionated

Caffeine Queen

They've done studies on this - external hires are paid 18% more for the same roles than people promoted internally. (Though they're more likely to also perform substantially worse.)

External hires are 75% less likely to get top ratings and 270% more likely to get lowest ratings than people promoted into roles from inside the company. It takes about 3 YEARS to close this gap.

Matthew Bidwell at Wharton did a study on this and the data has serious implications for companies hiring this way, but for us... Follow the cash baby. Though good culture/fit/being good at your job is also worth a lot more than a baby OTE bump IMO.

Nairobi

Politicker

Interesting stats, I've heard about similar stats. I agree with your last statement; if I find the right culture where I'm good at my job, I wouldn't see myself leaving for a small OTE bump.

CharmingSalesGal

Politicker

Account Executive

I personally don't like to do it. I used to do recruiting so I know how expensive and time consuming it is for companies to invest in a new employee so I try to really gauge the situation and sus out if I'm going to be a great fit before I accept a position. PLUS it's just like a lot of work to start a new job on my end too, the less times I can do that, the less stressed I'll be. 😂

That being said, I do see the argument that if a better paying job or a better opportunity comes around, take it. I rarely accept a position without doing heavy amounts of research and align that it has majority of what I'm looking for.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

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If companies actually invested in their employees long term instead of at start up then this wouldn't be an issue. 🤷‍♀️

CharmingSalesGal

Politicker

Account Executive

You have a point there! That's one thing I looked for heavily in the company I started with beginning of this year. I was very diligent about asking of the long term success they hope for their employees and how they plan to get me there. I was surprised at what an organized answer they had and here we are!

CuriousFox

WR Officer

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Sometimes they mislead too, and they are good about it.

CharmingSalesGal

Politicker

Account Executive

Another good point which really just fucking sucks too! WHAT ARE MORALS NOW A DAYS? 😂😅😭

Nairobi

Politicker

I see your point, most people that I've talked to who are against job-hopping are/were in recruiting. I don't think most people like to job-hop, but most of the time, you just don't have a choice.

Gyro25

Notorious Answer

Account Executive

Job hopping is meant increase your pay and improve your current situation. Employers wouldn't think twice about firing you without notice and bringing someone in the next week.

You have to think of it from the side of an employer as well, I'm sure it's probably frowned upon if you do it too often, but like op said, are you going to stick it out if you're miserable on the inside? At the end of the day, the sale goes to the highest bidder, so if you've got better options why wouldn't you do what's best for you? Your current employer certainly won't.

Nairobi

Politicker

Exactly, I've heard too many horror stories of people being loyal to their company and then getting fired out of nowhere.

Hard4Card

Good Citizen

Director, Enterprise Sales

Going through this right now as I've been in my current role for a little over a year and have started to explore other sales positions. Majority of companies that I'm speaking are having no problem offering salaries >20% of what I'm making right now with more upside so it's feeling like a little bit of a no brainer for me right now. As Tobi Lutke at Shopify said last year to his managers "we are a team, not a family," and unless you have serious skin in the game with the company, I don't think people should be faulted for moving to a better financial situation.

Nairobi

Politicker

Amen!

CCP

Opinionated

VP, Business Development

A sales pal once told me its not the ones who earn that stay its the ones that stay who earn. In my experience selling professional services, the longer you stay you build a book of repeat customers so the golden handcuffs are real. With that said, if you're unhappy, get the fuck outta dodge.

SidFarkus

Politicker

Corporate Sales Account Executive

We’ve had a lot of Boomerang Boys recently. Leave for greener pastures and try to come right back a few months later.

Nairobi

Politicker

Boomerang Boys lmao Did you guys welcome them back? I don't think I would leave a company knowing that I would want to come back.

Kanyebut4sales

WR Lieutenant

Account Executive

Ive done it and for good reasons. The result is that i grew my income by 6x but now i need a longer run at a company to solidify my career path. Be careful with it but it can be beneficial

Nairobi

Politicker

Oh that’s nice, how many times have you changed company?

Kanyebut4sales

WR Lieutenant

Account Executive

Ive been in sales for around 9 years so ive had a few changes, especially in tech. Don’t go crazy with it but it can be a strategy to get a pay bump or title change

HappyGilmore

Politicker

Account Executive

If the job/fit isn't right, there's no harm in hopping to find the right place to work.

Nairobi

Politicker

That's how I think too.

CaneWolf

Politicker

Call me what you want, just sign the damn contract

I think it's a positive thing to show that you can stay someplace. But once that's established, I'd say do you. Also, it's sales. It matters way less than in other fields.

Nairobi

Politicker

You have a good point. It is frowned upon in a lot of fields but it's different in sales, people seemed to be used to salespeople being at different companies.

MrEffWord

Opinionated

Regional Sales Manager

Fuck yes, best way to get a raise. Just make sure your in an industry with some level of demand and you’ll find someone willing to pay you for that experience.

goose

Politicker

Sales Executive

I'll agree that life is too short to work somewhere that makes you unhappy or unhealthy. That being said, would you want to hire someone that has a clear reputation as a job hopper? I think I'd hesitate to make a commitment if I had options for the open position.

Nairobi

Politicker

Honestly, I would if I know that they can bring something to my team, even if I know it might be for a short period. I’d just make sure that the person stays for as long as possible.

goose

Politicker

Sales Executive

That’s nice but a bit naive. But nice.

Nairobi

Politicker

Oh it’s for sure naive hahaha that person would probably leave but I’ll still give them a chance if I know they are a beast.

StonedColdCloser

Opinionated

Business Development Manager

I’d bet like a lot of y’all, I watched my father work for the same company for quite a while and work his way up through the ranks. That instilled a since of loyalty in me that has been to my own detriment on more than one occasion. With that said, now more than ever if you have the skill set and the resume to leapfrog your career from one org to the next, do it!

KGCanada

Arsonist

Senior Executive

If the positive affect reaches my home and family, then it doesn't matter. I'd consider it.

Beans

Big Shot

Enterprise Account Executive

Gotta do what’s best for you.

InQ5WeTrust

Arsonist

No marketing, mayo isn't an MQL

If it's not a fit, it's not a fit. Most recent company just didn't work out and promises failed to materialise.

6 months I'm out and no one I interviewed with batted an eyelash.

alecabral

Arsonist

Director - Digital Sales Transformation

Well, I voted yes, but I think it's relative to each person. As a hiring manager I try to make my teams happy and profitable but sometimes that's not that simple. I understand if someone wants to leave.

NoSuperhero

Politicker

BDR LEAD

IF you're job hopping from with in the same professional field, what's the point of doing it?

Nairobi

Politicker

I’m confused about what you are saying. If someone changes company but stays within the same field then they shouldn’t change company?

NoSuperhero

Politicker

BDR LEAD

No, like let's say you work for Oracle as an SDR and then you jump over to Salesforce as an SDR all with in the span of 3 to 5 months. What's the point?

I don't see any opportunity given to try things out. Simply ''acquiring'' experience for the CV? I never understood people like that and ran into several.

Now if you're making the jump from an enterprise over to a start-up now we're talking different ball game. But otherwise other than a ginormous payraise I don't see the point of continuesly jump ship.

Nairobi

Politicker

Aaah ok I see what you mean. Thanks for the clarification! That’s interesting, I didn’t think people did that. I always thought people moved from something better.

NoSuperhero

Politicker

BDR LEAD

That's the logic, but there are a few floaters out there and at the first sign of needing to work, which it's usually a month after training then they quit and jump ship. I honestly don't see the point but if that's what makes them think they have a purpose my respects I guess. To each their own.

Nairobi

Politicker

That's stupid. They should not work at all if that's the case... but like you said to each their own.

hurtscuzimold

Opinionated

Dude abiding

Too stressful and looks terrible on my resume. Not that I’ve been doing it all my life or anything lol

Nairobi

Politicker

Lol right, I might be very biased as well ;)

Swarthymovie

Arsonist

SDR

when it comes to money, nothing is gonna be judged, no loyalty, no friends, nothing, if you get a better opportunity is because you deserve it, and personally think, you should take it

Nairobi

Politicker

That’s true!

ChicagoCloser1717

Politicker

New Business Development Representative

Always keep you options open. Dont just jump at the first sign on adversity but also have a back door open incase the company completely screws you. I made a mistake with that at one company and the took all my account and I waited 6 month for them to give me more and they didn’t. 6 months lost sales opportunities. Next time ill be prepared.

Nairobi

Politicker

That sucks, but now you know!

ChicagoCloser1717

Politicker

New Business Development Representative

Exactly! The lesson im am passing to you here. ;)

Nairobi

Politicker

Haha thanks! It is noted :)

thesecretsauce

Politicker

Business Development

How often is considered hopping?

Nairobi

Politicker

Great question. I think it varies from person to person. For me, if you’re changing company every year that’s hopping, but it could also be working at multiple companies in 1-2 years.

Justatitle

Big Shot

Account Executive

It’s so funny to me. A company wants to find someone and hire someone because they have a need right now and they want to hire someone that is currently employed usually. And then they label someone a job hopper although in order to go work for a new company they need a job hopper. It’s stupid and any company that labels you that is a joke.

Nairobi

Politicker

Right it doesn’t make any sense!... I’ve had more recruiters hit me up when I have a job then when I was unemployed and looking for one.

eds

Opinionated

Salesy

job hopping for the sake of hopping, no.

capitalizing on better opportunities and giving them your best to keep growing, heck yeahh!

Nairobi

Politicker

Agree, you have to be strategic with your changes.

eds

Opinionated

Salesy

Exactly, or eventually, the next best employer just won't hire you.

GDO

Politicker

BDM

There is no loyalty in the corporate world. You should think about yourself.

if everybody does what is best for themselves the world would be a better place.

Nairobi

Politicker

Yep. In the end, the only person you can count on, is yourself.

KendallRoy

Politicker

Depends what you mean by job-hopping. A good friend of mine is basically ruined from leaving 4 roles in a row in 6-12 months. I've tried to refer him to good recruiters I know and they've flat out said they wouldn't put him forward as a serious candidate. My mentor says the sweet spot is 3-4 years.

Nairobi

Politicker

I would consider that job-hopping, many companies in a short period (less than a year at one company and then changing). Why did your friend change that many times in a short time? Also, staying 3-4 years at one company?

KendallRoy

Politicker

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, not good at selecting the right roles. He has 6-7 years sales experience including full sales cycle and most recently took an SDR role for the same amount my sister is getting in her first ever SDR role. Yep, 3-4 years at one company.

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