Gotta appreciate the hustle from this lady but dammnnnnn MLM is the cancer of sales
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How else am I supposed to be a BOSS BABE and get out of the 9-5 by working from wifi
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They are annoying as hell. I get one a month reaching out.
I don't consider them as sales savages. They are gnats. Annoying AF.
I know, but I feel like it’s unethical. Is this wrong?
I don't think it's unethical, just a different hustle. I respect the grind but for real, I do not want to buy your damn shampoo...
“Small amount of my team sales”
Good objection handling to be fair
Good objection handling to be fair
Really? They never reach out to me. Did you end up on some list maybe?
Let's just say I went to a college in a state where you either become successful or....well you join one of these. So just by chance a few people I was loosely connected with joined them and they just blast their whole network at that point.
Texas?
Hey, now!
New Mexico? lol
It's fine, I'm from Texas haha
There is no debate: MLMs are predatory. /thread
I agree. The “hey girl! I have this AMAZING opportunity for you!!”
its more on Facebook TBH
its more on Facebook TBH
I legit broke a lease because my roommate (who was already living there when I moved in) would not leave me alone about supporting their young living addiction. It became so uncomfortable I had to leave.
It’s like a cult
I think any sales role with a 95% failure rate that also puts reps in a financial hole should be illegal.
You mean life insurance agents? 😂
Touché
Lol remember Veema Verve? Those dudes were siiickkkkk
I'm all for multiple messages, but that is a lot of follow up
Ummmm MLM= multilevel marketing schemes.....? Aka pyramid schemes lite?
unless I didn’t get the joke 😬
unless I didn’t get the joke 😬
Depends, I get a ton through LI and hate those ones bc they're predatory and some can probably seem legit to desperate job seekers. The essential oil/diet pill crap on FB - people should know better.
I have yet to have anyone reach out to me on LI with one of these...am I dodging bullets? I'm also curious if you get them from strangers that are cold outreach, or are they people that you actually know?
Cold on LinkedIn
semi warm in FB
semi warm in FB
Interesting. I've had the semi-warm reach out via FB, but like I said, haven't seen anything on LinkedIn.
The funniest was cold! Offering me $500k for working part time and even keeping my current job, lol. For fun, I asked for more info and the "recruiter" couldn't even describe the product the site to me or what I would be doing. Another one straight up asked for money up front to "invest" and was just some strange guy literally describing a pyramid scheme...
Predatory? Lol. You Chris Hansen or something? That’s a bit much.
Confession: my wife and I were involved in an MLM for several years when we were trying to make ends meat. Did very well with it. Bout $4500/month at the peak. Car, trips, etc. It was a natural nutrition company that we got involved in because we had a positive, medical experience with one of our kids who had some extreme allergic issues and dietary problems. It kinda snowballed into us selling it and building an network. We stopped because we got to the point where it was too much to manage, from the perspective of trying to train and lead the team of people we amassed under us. But to be clear, we (and those in our group) always approached it sharing personal, positive experiences. If people wanted more info, we gave it. If they didn’t, no worries. Personally speaking, we never aggressively pushed people. We hated seeing that...cuz it did happen. We have been out now for about 3 years...still get a (smaller) check every month from the snowball still rolling.
Like @iworkinchonies said. It’s a different hustle and some people approach it correctly and with good intentions. Others don’t. I think that’s universal in sales, regardless of the hustle. I respect the people that do it right and hustle their asses off to provide for themselves and their families. No need for the shade, people. It’s not unethical. It’s certainly not predatory. If you’re interested, great. If you’re not, decline and move on (read: get over it). Let’s not get our panties in a bunch over another seller trying to do their thang, lest we start sounding like butt-hurt CTOs/CISOs on LinkedIn. <zing!> 😋
For anyone new that doesn’t get the reference - https://bravado.co/war-room/posts/screenshots-war-room-dog-piles-on-delta-bravo-cto-on-linkedin
Come at me, bro!
PS. If you wanna know more, LMK. I’ll send you a pamphlet. 😉
Confession: my wife and I were involved in an MLM for several years when we were trying to make ends meat. Did very well with it. Bout $4500/month at the peak. Car, trips, etc. It was a natural nutrition company that we got involved in because we had a positive, medical experience with one of our kids who had some extreme allergic issues and dietary problems. It kinda snowballed into us selling it and building an network. We stopped because we got to the point where it was too much to manage, from the perspective of trying to train and lead the team of people we amassed under us. But to be clear, we (and those in our group) always approached it sharing personal, positive experiences. If people wanted more info, we gave it. If they didn’t, no worries. Personally speaking, we never aggressively pushed people. We hated seeing that...cuz it did happen. We have been out now for about 3 years...still get a (smaller) check every month from the snowball still rolling.
Like @iworkinchonies said. It’s a different hustle and some people approach it correctly and with good intentions. Others don’t. I think that’s universal in sales, regardless of the hustle. I respect the people that do it right and hustle their asses off to provide for themselves and their families. No need for the shade, people. It’s not unethical. It’s certainly not predatory. If you’re interested, great. If you’re not, decline and move on (read: get over it). Let’s not get our panties in a bunch over another seller trying to do their thang, lest we start sounding like butt-hurt CTOs/CISOs on LinkedIn. <zing!> 😋
For anyone new that doesn’t get the reference - https://bravado.co/war-room/posts/screenshots-war-room-dog-piles-on-delta-bravo-cto-on-linkedin
Come at me, bro!
PS. If you wanna know more, LMK. I’ll send you a pamphlet. 😉
Yeah that’s cool you had a good experience. The statistics behind the industry don’t paint the same rosy picture. It’s a grift. Just a fancy one.
When you say “grift” there’s an implication of nefarious, if not illegal behavior. And with all due respect, you couldn’t be more wrong. Like I said, yes there are people who approach it much more aggressively and put too much pressure on people...and I think that’s wrong. But at the end of the day, it’s not illegal or even misleading. Each company is also highly regulated from within to prevent nefarious behavior and discourage disingenuous work.
Furthermore, I’ve never lived my life according to statistics...which is maybe why my wife and I had a positive and successful experience. We did the research. We knew what we were getting into. We both understand what it takes to run a “franchise” and we saw good outcomes...and not just on a monetary level. Not everyone approaches it the same way, and they fail. But that’s not in any way exclusive to MLMs. That’s world wide; even in sales. People getting way over their skies in forecasting. People who don’t have skills to run a sales cycle or be in a specific industry. People being put into a position selling who have no business doing so, for various reasons.
But that burden doesn’t fall on the company. Nor does it fall on the people presenting an “opportunity” to the person. It falls on the person to make their own educated choices.
Don’t be a statistic.
Furthermore, I’ve never lived my life according to statistics...which is maybe why my wife and I had a positive and successful experience. We did the research. We knew what we were getting into. We both understand what it takes to run a “franchise” and we saw good outcomes...and not just on a monetary level. Not everyone approaches it the same way, and they fail. But that’s not in any way exclusive to MLMs. That’s world wide; even in sales. People getting way over their skies in forecasting. People who don’t have skills to run a sales cycle or be in a specific industry. People being put into a position selling who have no business doing so, for various reasons.
But that burden doesn’t fall on the company. Nor does it fall on the people presenting an “opportunity” to the person. It falls on the person to make their own educated choices.
Don’t be a statistic.
MLMs are often shut down and fined by the Federal Trade Commission for being pyramid schemes. I hope you shared this government website with the people underneath you, or at least disclosed MLM was controversial - https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0065-multi-level-marketing-businesses-and-pyramid-schemes
I think we're being too binary here. MLM = bad or MLM = good can be dangerous because, as @MMMGood pointed out, there are also bad sales jobs and good ones. If you haven't been in a situation where you're selling and you either 1) don't believe in the value of your product as it's being told by your marketing story, or 2) have pushed through a sale with a customer that wasn't a great fit, you must not have much experience. I hope no one gets in a bad situation, regardless, but it happens, whether you are working for an MLM company or not.
I tend to look at MLMs as being on a spectrum of being more or less exploitative and there are a handful of criteria to help you figure out if it's a scam (because some outright are). The nature of some of the programs can be very cult-ish (but if you need an example of a "tech" company doing the same, check out Generation Hustle on HBO - Episode 2 about WeWork), some require buying the product as a distributor, some companies are only sustainable with their recruitment model, and some have products that don't legitimately provide a value. But some MLM companies actually do have a reasonable business model and the MLM model is just a better delivery mechanism than having to worry about the logistics of e-commerce, or dealing with big box retailers. My mom used to do Pampered Chef and I can say that their products are great, the "party" model is a lower pressure sale, but a great way to socialize the products and make a small kickback, and a good chunk of the profits go directly to distributors. However, you do have to buy in with a "starter kit" for $150-$300, as well as have to maintain a certain amount of sales to maintain your status.
For me, it comes down to this:
1) Does the company's product provide a tangible benefit?
2) Does the product's success rely heavily on recruitment? (i.e. >50% of revenue comes from recruitment... SEC has been cracking down on this a lot lately)
3) Does the salesperson/distributor have to pay to become a seller? Do they have to manage the supply chain, or order the products themselves first?
4) Does the company heavily encourage tapping personal networks dry?
5) Does the company have pretty aggressive FAQs and training scripts that come off as defensive/brain-washy? (I had a former friend that was VERY into Usana Health Sciences and ended up living out of his car for the "privilege" to sell Usana, but was still arguing with me about the "rare" opportunity he had selling their sugar pills. He had pre-canned answers for everything and they were VERY incendiary... more or less calling me an idiot for not taking their opportunity).
6) Does the company tout their top earners getting fancy cars or bring in paid spokespeople ad nauseam? (Dr. Oz.... vomit)
7) Does the company try to avoid saying they are an MLM model?
I agree that personal responsibility is important when considering an MLM, but a lot of these companies are fundamentally built on exploitation of friends and family for personal gain, and heavy regulation is important to avoid situations like Herbalife, where they systematically target those who have no other opportunities, convincing them by empowering their trusted connections to exploit them. Watch Betting on Zero on Netflix and tell me that how they operate is acceptable and is 100% on the individual. We should not be okay with this.
I tend to look at MLMs as being on a spectrum of being more or less exploitative and there are a handful of criteria to help you figure out if it's a scam (because some outright are). The nature of some of the programs can be very cult-ish (but if you need an example of a "tech" company doing the same, check out Generation Hustle on HBO - Episode 2 about WeWork), some require buying the product as a distributor, some companies are only sustainable with their recruitment model, and some have products that don't legitimately provide a value. But some MLM companies actually do have a reasonable business model and the MLM model is just a better delivery mechanism than having to worry about the logistics of e-commerce, or dealing with big box retailers. My mom used to do Pampered Chef and I can say that their products are great, the "party" model is a lower pressure sale, but a great way to socialize the products and make a small kickback, and a good chunk of the profits go directly to distributors. However, you do have to buy in with a "starter kit" for $150-$300, as well as have to maintain a certain amount of sales to maintain your status.
For me, it comes down to this:
1) Does the company's product provide a tangible benefit?
2) Does the product's success rely heavily on recruitment? (i.e. >50% of revenue comes from recruitment... SEC has been cracking down on this a lot lately)
3) Does the salesperson/distributor have to pay to become a seller? Do they have to manage the supply chain, or order the products themselves first?
4) Does the company heavily encourage tapping personal networks dry?
5) Does the company have pretty aggressive FAQs and training scripts that come off as defensive/brain-washy? (I had a former friend that was VERY into Usana Health Sciences and ended up living out of his car for the "privilege" to sell Usana, but was still arguing with me about the "rare" opportunity he had selling their sugar pills. He had pre-canned answers for everything and they were VERY incendiary... more or less calling me an idiot for not taking their opportunity).
6) Does the company tout their top earners getting fancy cars or bring in paid spokespeople ad nauseam? (Dr. Oz.... vomit)
7) Does the company try to avoid saying they are an MLM model?
I agree that personal responsibility is important when considering an MLM, but a lot of these companies are fundamentally built on exploitation of friends and family for personal gain, and heavy regulation is important to avoid situations like Herbalife, where they systematically target those who have no other opportunities, convincing them by empowering their trusted connections to exploit them. Watch Betting on Zero on Netflix and tell me that how they operate is acceptable and is 100% on the individual. We should not be okay with this.
I recently listened to a MLM pitch, then gave her feedback on her sales pitch.
I also do this with sales people that hit me up on LI. Certified biotch over here lol
I also do this with sales people that hit me up on LI. Certified biotch over here lol
I went through a time in my life when I was suckered in to attending a MILLION parties of all sorts. I hated them then, I definitely hate them now. Though, I have a friend that was a first-mover on one and she's making great money because of her "team's sales".
However, I would never call this sales. This is no more sales than being behind the jewelry counter at Walmart. You holla at people, hope they want to buy, and if they don't you just move on. Also never have to talk to anyone after the sale.... that's not sales in my book!
However, I would never call this sales. This is no more sales than being behind the jewelry counter at Walmart. You holla at people, hope they want to buy, and if they don't you just move on. Also never have to talk to anyone after the sale.... that's not sales in my book!
This always happens to me, a person from high school that wasn't necessarily a friend reaches out to "have lunch" after I haven't talked to then in 10 years
Only to recruit me to whatever MLM they're doing
Only to recruit me to whatever MLM they're doing
TRUE STORY: A prospect who I met with and actually pitched tried recruiting my into his MLM that he's involved with also. Started off as like this "side hustle" he brought up to me - kinda weird kinda interesting, thought it might be a cool way to make a little coin on the side.
Then we had these "meetings" where i had to like read something or watch these videos by the next time we met to show i was interested...and it kinda started to feel weird. Turns out this side hustle was some extension of Amway and i had never heard of it before..
Long story short I just got such a weird vibe from it - and the concept where you make money by just getting as many people to join your "team" just seems fishy and deceiving to me. Plus, the people who are part of it seems very cult-ish...so when i told him i wasn't interested his mood totally changed.
To boot, I'm pretty sure he only took that original meeting with me (where i tried selling HIM legitimate services to help his company) just to rope me into this MLM - which is just plain shitty if you ask me.
Then we had these "meetings" where i had to like read something or watch these videos by the next time we met to show i was interested...and it kinda started to feel weird. Turns out this side hustle was some extension of Amway and i had never heard of it before..
Long story short I just got such a weird vibe from it - and the concept where you make money by just getting as many people to join your "team" just seems fishy and deceiving to me. Plus, the people who are part of it seems very cult-ish...so when i told him i wasn't interested his mood totally changed.
To boot, I'm pretty sure he only took that original meeting with me (where i tried selling HIM legitimate services to help his company) just to rope me into this MLM - which is just plain shitty if you ask me.
Sounds about right. Sucks !
This used to make my blood boil, then I realized, there are always going to be rubes out there and hustlers who know how to work them. Some people only learn from falling flat on their face, so hustle away.
MLMs are the worst and I feel sorry for people who get caught up in them and lost friends & family because of it.
its totally mlm but i wouldn't say predetory
Lmao at those keywords: biodynamic, litigation lawyer owner, network marketing company.....sign me the F up for a big old NO pal!
I always let them down easy, "thank you for reaching out, at this time I am not interested but I hope you hit your quota and find success" They usually leave me alone after that since they are just trying to close some deals too but they get it.
Seeing MLMs crumble gives me a sense of justice
I have mixed feelings about MLMs but I am a customer of 2 separate companies in which I absolutely love the products - one is a CBD company (helps me w/ sleep & joint pain) and the other is a collagen product (really helps with my skin/hair). I respect both of the women that sell for these companies. They are friends of mine but they are also really well versed in what they sell - their product knowledge is outstanding! I help them when I can by posting stuff on my social media only because I really believe in the products.
Ultimately, what is wrong with someone that has the hustle to provide for themselves and their families via a MLM company that they believe in?! I would never do it but I see absolutely nothing wrong with it! All you have to do is say and no and move on if you aren't interested. No need to get your panties in a wad!
Ultimately, what is wrong with someone that has the hustle to provide for themselves and their families via a MLM company that they believe in?! I would never do it but I see absolutely nothing wrong with it! All you have to do is say and no and move on if you aren't interested. No need to get your panties in a wad!
Blame Utah, that's where it all started.
Mlms are legit if you get the right one. Better sales people then most as well, they have no leads just talking to everyone and anykne
What value do I bring to the economy? Ummmm boatloads of revenue to {Insert company
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