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Vaccine Mandates by Employers - Looking for Info

I work in HR services (selling those services to be clear - I'm NOT in HR and don't care that you need a day off because your goldfish died and your manager didn't accept that that was bereavement leave worthy) and vaccines are an increasingly hot topic of debate. Clients are asking more and more about mandating employees and contractors that go on-site be vaccinated.


Looking for salespeoples' perspective. Feel free to comment with your opinions on the matter but lets be respectful of differing views please.

Is your employer mandating vaccines?
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UrAssIsSaaS
Politicker
+8
SaaS Eater
For us, if you want to return to the office you need a vaccine. If you don't have the shot, you have to get tested daily.

Sidenote and potentially inflammatory comment. Vaccine mandates have been around forever, this is nothing new. Get the fucking shot and move on.  
WCK
Notorious Answer
+13
Padre de Tequila, General of the Coors Knights
This this this.

Maybe if we called it immunizations instead of vaccinations these idiots would be more accepting of it.

Get the fucking shot.
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
I think there are a lot of things that will convince people. Calling them idiots isn't one of them, @WCK 
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poweredbycaffeine
WR Lieutenant
+10
Bean Juice Drinker | Sales Savant
AMEN
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Daily testing is intense but less than a full vax mandate so I can certainly follow the logic around testing. With vaxxed people's cases rising it seems like testing might be increasingly important. Until they sort out the whole booster thing I guess. 
UrAssIsSaaS
Politicker
+8
SaaS Eater
Ya its intentionally intense to encourage more vaccinations but ya I agree testing is going to be super important.
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CaneWolf
Politicker
+12
Call me what you want, just sign the damn contract
I wouldn't work for a company that would put me in a position to be around unvaccinated people. My employer is mandating vaccines for any in-person event of any kind.
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Totally understand your position. Is anyone getting let go for not being vaxxed out of curiosity? This is such a crazy issue in the HR space right now, I'm curious around how far companies are going at this stage. 
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sellingsellssold
Politicker
+7
SDR
It should be your own choice if you want to get the vaccine or not.
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
I agree that its a deeply personal choice. Issue is, now employees are asking their employers to institute mandates (that I'm not comfortable with either). I don't like mandates for most things, but its supremely nuanced. I also don't like it landing on employers. If Joe Biden and Justin Trudeau want to mandate vaccines, do it and deal with any political/legal fallout. Don't say employers with x amount of employees and in y sectors need to force their employees. 
Fenderbaum
Opinionated
+1
Senior Consultant
Exactly.
jefe
Politicker
+8
Sales Director
We're a small shop and have been WFH for awhile. But no jabby no office.

Which makes me happy.

Just get the damn jab!!
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Makes sense. If 100p remote no need for mandates.
InQ5WeTrust
Arsonist
+9
Sales Savages, what is our profession? Trauma!
UK here, company hasn't mandated vaccines by any stretch for co-working days. 

Mainly the focus of conversation here has been around care companies etc. 
DungeonsNDemos
Politicker
+10
Rolling for Initiative
I live on the United States' dick: Florida. 

We have no rules and we defy the other 49 states in many ways. 
To keep it short, my company is a strange culmination of ideologies and we have landed in a spot of muh freedom while also providing something very tied to this pandemic.

Everyone in the office can do whatever they want. No masks, testing, or mandates. I have gone ahead on my own and gotten it, but mainly because I don't want to get any old folks in the family sick. 
I work remotely...so I'm the black sheep already in the sales team. 

If you go to ANY restaurant in my city, you will find it as packed as ever. Full of retired baby boomers together like sardines, no masks (mostly). Fall and Winter will only get more packed.

But as the pandemic gets worse, my sales will continue to increase. 
Bittersweet? 
InQ5WeTrust
Arsonist
+9
Sales Savages, what is our profession? Trauma!
Ahh Florida, the battle royale of insanity. 

Will it be bathsalts, a crocodile or a masklrss karen that gets you killed this respawn? Only time will tell 
DungeonsNDemos
Politicker
+10
Rolling for Initiative
If you manage to wander into the everglades, there are alligators, pythons, and confirmed Nile Crocodiles (released from people who brought them in from Miami).
Also on the southwest coast there are naturally occurring saltwater crocodiles too
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Florida's fucks given seem to be right around zero. 
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Not hating BTW, Florida is great!
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WomenWantMeFishFearMe
Politicker
+4
SDR LXIX
I'd rather get fired than be told what to do with my body. I'm not arguing efficacy or necessity of the jab, rather the the fact I'll be fucked if they think they can force me to have a needle shoved in my massive shoulder.
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Choice and freedom are certainly a part of the equation. In Canada, there is a segment waiting for Novavax that will be made in Canada and Medigo that was developed in Canada. They're supposed to be approved any time now. Right or wrong, that's their choice and I feel uncomfortable that this has been left up to employers (for the most part) to decide. I hear ya, brother. 
WomenWantMeFishFearMe
Politicker
+4
SDR LXIX
Never thought I'd agree with the CCP hahah
FamilyTruckster
Politicker
+9
Exec Director, Major Accounts
Masks in the offices regardless of vax. At this point that’s loosely enforced depending on where you are. 

same goes for our customers. It’s the Wild West. 
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
So full masks (according to policy but not always in practice) but unvaxxed can go to the office? Did I get that one right?
FamilyTruckster
Politicker
+9
Exec Director, Major Accounts
Correct. If you’re unvaccinated you can absolutely go into the office. 
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desperado
Politicker
+7
Head of Sales, Americas
My company is fully remote. We’re getting a new HQ office soon. When that happens, you must be vaxxed to go back. So not an entire mandate. No pay disparity between remote & office-returners. I won’t be returning to the office, but I’m #pfizergang
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Sounds reasonable! The "move out of the city and make less" policies are odd to me. Great way to lose top performers to more flexible talent competitors. Out of country gets complicated with tax implications but in-country, who cares? 
desperado
Politicker
+7
Head of Sales, Americas
I agree. I work for a company HQ’d overseas and many of my counterparts are actually moving to the US now. US subsidiary pays higher 😉
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Commenting on my own post, yeah I'm that guy. Anyone concerned about the precedent of employers asking this stuff? Its illegal in Denmark, for example, but being mandated by the U.S. Its a pandemic, things are crazy, I get it for sure. But anyone worried about overreach in the future?   
Sunbunny31
Politicker
+5
Sales Executive
A vaccine requirement is nothing new in the US.  We've required them to attend school, the military hasn't met a vaccine it doesn't like, and it's been determined to be Constitutional.

Overreach...how?
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
I'm talking strictly about employers mandating employees share medical info. You can't ask a person's age, whether someone is pregnant, and lots of other things. It's real murky around labor laws. In Canada, vaccines have only been mandated to attend public school or the military that I know of. Not sure about other jurisdictions.
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Sunbunny31
Politicker
+5
Sales Executive
I have never even visited our office, which is halfway across the country, and I honestly don't know what our policy is, though I got my shots the minute I was eligible.    I would support them if they determined that you could be let go if you didn't get the vaccine.  Honestly, I'm totally bemused by the pushback.  
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Same! Only met two colleagues once for a golf game this summer when people thought we were getting out of it. Never even met my boss. Crazy times
torontowarroomrep
Politicker
+5
Account Executive
We're all working remotely and there's no need for us to return to office any time soon. I imagine there will be a requirement for a vaccine to book a desk or something along those lines. 
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
I'm anticipating something similar. It's easier to manage when employees can WFH. Many companies I'm talking to have warehouse workers or manufacturing so that's a whole other ballgame when it comes to vaccine policy. Kind of a pick your poison scenario.
FromaBlankPerspective
Politicker
+6
District Manager
For current employees they are pushing the vaccine, but if you elect not to, you have to submit a negative test every week that you will be seeing anyone (clients or coworkers). However, new employees must be vaccinated. 
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Interesting that there are two sets of rules. I can see that complicating things unless your company eventually just goes with everyone must be vaccinated. There's also a financial cost for the tests that many companies are taking into consideration. 
FromaBlankPerspective
Politicker
+6
District Manager
In this market no one can afford to lose employees, I think that's maybe where it comes from. They have made it abundantly clear that they want people to get vaccinated, but it's a big org so a sweeping move like that could mean thousands of people choose to leave. We're mostly all working from home still anyway so they probably aren't looking to disrupt too many when they don't have to. 
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ChunkyButters
Politicker
+9
AE
No vax required, but if not vaxed a mask is required in the office.
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Interesting approach. Has there been any stigma around the people wearing masks? Honestly, I wouldn't want to be that 1 in 10 people (or whatever the ratio) wearing a mask to a meeting and people feel uncomfortable. 
Ch
ChunkyButters
Politicker
+9
AE
No weirdness. Everyone is pretty respectful. There hasn't been any political shit, arguments, or weird conspiracy shit.

Some people will ask why and everyone is pretty respectful of each other. 
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cw95
Politicker
+6
Sales Development Lead
Is there a huge difference in workplace & Vaccines in the US compared to Europe? I wouldn't want to speak for everyone but the majority of Europe (mainly the UK) have got the vaccine and companies don't really need to have this debate as their employees have got the vaccine. 

However, large companies with thousands of employees have introduced the 'no jab, no job' policy. But, it's rare so not really in the news. 
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Really depends on the country. The UK, Denmark and Sweden are lifting all restrictions as examples. France has a vax or testing policy, and the list goes on. I'm in Quebec, Canada where we have 81% fully vaxxed and companies (and gov't) are mandating vaccines in some cases or don't know what to do/what is legal in others. Seems that vaccination levels aren't enough for employers to not mandate something (vax or test or WFH 100%) given the variants and general uncertainty. I used to think if we got to x% vaccinated rate, things would go back to normal. But they're not. Fully vaxxed people still need to wear masks, restaurants can only accept fully vaxxed but still can't open to full capacity. Its wildly complicated to understand and employers are struggling to figure it out. 
CloudyWithAChanceOfQuota
Politicker
+5
Corporate AE
I think it totally should be required, unless you have a serious health issue that prevents you from receiving the shot. It's not fair to put customers and coworkers in danger because you decided to be stubborn. 
CCP
Opinionated
+6
VP, Business Development
Yeah I hear you. For people that are now doing face-to-face meetings or events it's different. But I think the getting tested model is valid since you can apparently still spread while vaxxed. If there were no financial implications, I think rapid testing for everyone (vaxxed and not) would be safest. Not sure it's possible, though.  
Beans
Politicker
+9
Account Executive
Can't mandate where I am locally, however they've strongly recommended non vax folk stay out.

Which is great, we're at 50% capacity and need to book desks so less of a hassle getting my fav spots. 
GDO
Politicker
+7
BDM
I’m all for people getting a choice. But I’m also for employers being free to hire and fire who they want. 
Flippinghubs
Opinionated
+7
Account Executive
Get vaxxed 
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