So many hybrid sales roles posted, Amazon forcing workers back in the office, Salesforce long abandoned remote work, etc.
Will it ever come back?
Will remote work ever make a comeback?
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I work remote. Have since 2019. The roles exist but you need to look outside of public companies with real estate holdings.
This is it. Remote is still so common. But the massive orgs with shareholders and expensive offices won't be where you find it.
I’ve been remote since 2012. At the time, the role was called “field sales”. The roles I go for now are the same - either in-territory or remote. But I’m senior and have been an EAE for some time now.
With a couple exceptions I have always been remote.
Outside sales is always remote. Do that
No, more and more are moving away from remote. Can’t think of any major company who has gone back to remote.
unless another COVID hits, then no
Why did this get downvoted?!? You may not like the answer but he’s right. RTO is going to be the trend until something massive derails it again.
Perhaps next time people don’t fuck around and play Xbox while they are supposed to be working.
Perhaps next time people don’t fuck around and play Xbox while they are supposed to be working.
I'm telling you man, someone in here hates me, consistently get downvoted. I'm not whining about it just saying
You’re not alone. It’s weird.
Hands up accountability I downvoted you in a fit of RTO rage. I’ve returned to upvote you after cooling.
All good homie!
I think you should only focus on remote if you REALLY want it, no?
Meeting people face to face in an office complex is so much better for the career, mental peace, and basically gives you the change that you need.
I'd not shy away from WFO.
It's not applicable to everyone but "Comfort kills ambition".
Meeting people face to face in an office complex is so much better for the career, mental peace, and basically gives you the change that you need.
I'd not shy away from WFO.
It's not applicable to everyone but "Comfort kills ambition".
Not sure, I think the big companies want people in, but the really small ones want people in as well. I think this is because the really small ones idolise the big ones and want to follow suit, yet the middle sized companies don't really mind. I also think it's purely down to the CEO's attitude. Saw a job the other day in which they wanted you in five days a week because the owner said thats what he wants yet the pay was less than the market average. The woman on the phone to me seemed so fed up of saying 'five days a week'. couple days later that role was advertised on LinkedIn as 'High Priority' because I imagine people don't want to do it. Silly really.
Also, I don't get how people don't understand when you go into the office you tend to work less hours than at home and therefore are less productive.
Also, I don't get how people don't understand when you go into the office you tend to work less hours than at home and therefore are less productive.
I've worked for a remote first company for the last five years and as long as I'm here, will never go into an office. I think being remote first is important because there's companies that do it right & know how to still have some control over their employees without micromanaging. Where as some of the bigger orgs that went remote during COVID, maybe weren't equipped to manage remote teams & that's why returning to office made more sense for them
For smaller companies who need field reps in multiple markets, it's just cost prohibitive to lease office space in a dozen (or more) cities. Those people will likely always be remote.
For the companies that are just selling over Zoom meetings, remote will only return once the war for talent returns. If you're a startup based out of the Bay Area, there's already so much local talent that you don't need to hire someone in Pittsburgh. You can hire someone already living there, establish an office policy (hybrid, on-site, casual, whatever) and be good to go. If there's more competition for that local talent, you'll have to start widening your location parameters to find good candidates.
For the companies that are just selling over Zoom meetings, remote will only return once the war for talent returns. If you're a startup based out of the Bay Area, there's already so much local talent that you don't need to hire someone in Pittsburgh. You can hire someone already living there, establish an office policy (hybrid, on-site, casual, whatever) and be good to go. If there's more competition for that local talent, you'll have to start widening your location parameters to find good candidates.
Hybrid and remote is killing companies. Maybe not killing but two cloned companies with the only being difference between the two being remote vs in office will result in the office company being 4x the remote company after a few years.
What compartment of your ass did you pull that out of?
A company I worked for during COVID went from a floor of an office building to remote, like everyone else. They grew from $40M-$100M between 2020-2022 and stayed fully remote after offices reopened. They are still remote first and crushed their two main competitors.
90% of insurance brokers at RT are remote and always have been. They are a top-5 cyber brokerage.
Notion, Asana, Monday.com, etc, all compete and are largely remote.
There’s got to be evidence to back up your claim.
A company I worked for during COVID went from a floor of an office building to remote, like everyone else. They grew from $40M-$100M between 2020-2022 and stayed fully remote after offices reopened. They are still remote first and crushed their two main competitors.
90% of insurance brokers at RT are remote and always have been. They are a top-5 cyber brokerage.
Notion, Asana, Monday.com, etc, all compete and are largely remote.
There’s got to be evidence to back up your claim.
I was waiting for this comment. I understand there are outliers, I get that. I'm not talking about the outliers. I'm talking about the majority.
Also, you chose the wrong companies to call out...
Notion has no remote employees, asana and Monday are NOT largely remote. Asana and Monday do have some remote employees but they are largely in person. There's your evidence. And my source to regarding those 3 companies is that I've gotten offers from all 3.
What else do you want from me.
Also, you chose the wrong companies to call out...
Notion has no remote employees, asana and Monday are NOT largely remote. Asana and Monday do have some remote employees but they are largely in person. There's your evidence. And my source to regarding those 3 companies is that I've gotten offers from all 3.
What else do you want from me.
Ok fine, I was referring to companies who were largely remote last I checked, which was when I was their analyst during COVID.
Outliers are the examples to point to. If they can do it, and others are shrinking, when why focus on the majority at all? Real estate holdings haven’t stopped Wayfair from reducing staff and leaving thousands of square feet of office space empty.
Outliers are the examples to point to. If they can do it, and others are shrinking, when why focus on the majority at all? Real estate holdings haven’t stopped Wayfair from reducing staff and leaving thousands of square feet of office space empty.
@fidelcashflow cite your source
It is here to stay my man
I think it depends on the company and the manager. I simply can’t stand seeing my sales team in the office (or home) for an extended period without meetings planned. So for me, remote work is a prerequisite for a salesperson
The news from Amazon is slightly frightening, I have a feeling some other larger companies will follow suit but will be interesting to see how it all plays out
Don't call it a comeback! It never left. However if you want to work at a massive org like Amazon, you'll need to eat some shit.
I live in Boston, so there will always been employers HQ'd elsewhere (ex: Israel) looking for people with access to the city.
I live in Boston, so there will always been employers HQ'd elsewhere (ex: Israel) looking for people with access to the city.
There will always be full remote tech companies (in particular) - they tend to be start/scale up, but companies that started with the remote-first concept in mind. Not those forced to make their employees work remotely and competition for those is super high
Remote work is down trending. In office 3-4 days is becoming standard.
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