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Would you rat out your co-worker?

To put y'all in context:


YES, this is another COVID-related post.


Our company is doing very well, team morale is high, everyone's is extremely motivated, exceeding quotas and shit... I guess you can say we're finally a TEAM.


Every employee in the company but one got vaxxed (voluntarily) and I found out he lied about getting it. I'm cool with people not getting vaccinated but this new delta variant is getting out of control and to make things worse this guy has been partying like he's in college. I'm all about freedom of choice and shit but we're living in unprecedented times and it's our moral obligation to protect our community, especially our workplace.


Would you rat him out? I don't want to throw him under the bus and hurt our team but come on dude...


Would you...?
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poweredbycaffeine
WR Officer
+9
Bean Juice Drinker | Sales Savant
Those who are saying no: fuck off with your high and mighty bullshit.

Contrary to what your culture team says, this company is not your family...this is a life and death situation for some, maybe even some of the people you work with or their immediate family.

If you can get vaccinated, it's your responsibility to protect those around you by getting vaccinated.

Oh, but PBC, what about my freedom and liberty? The flipside of liberty is responsibility, and a lot of people are shirking away from that portion of morality because you think you're some kind of fucking genius.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, that's fine, but wear your mask. If you don't want to wear your mask, that's fine, stay the fuck home and stop risking the lives of others because the internet told you so.

Downvote me, I don't care. Your coworker deserves to be exposed before they expose you and others to asymptomatic contraction, which can easily pass to those who cannot get vaccinated, like children.
WCK
Notorious Answer
+11
Padre de Tequila, General of the Coors Knights
I wholeheartedly agree. I hit No on accident and hate that i can't change my answer.

The biggest issue I have with this is fucking simple: YOU LIED ABOUT BEING VACCINATED

Your idiotic personal opinion to yourself, you don't wanna get vaccinated fine. But do NOT lie about it, do NOT flaunt it, and do NOT put the lives of me and my family in danger because you want to be a piece of shit.

Now I'd go to him first and foremost, give him the opportunity to confess, and give him a short grace period. After that, gloves off. Simple.
CuriousFox
WR Officer
+11
Senior Account Executive
If you know he lied chances are he will tell others too. It will come to light.
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UrAssIsSaaS
Politicker
+7
SaaS Eater
Let it rip PBC, shout it from the fucking rooftops 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
100%
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
PREACH brother, couldn't agree more with you!  
mitts2
Politicker
+8
Account Executive
preach
jefe
Politicker
+8
Sales Director
So glad to see answers like these as the top comments.

It's not a game...
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
I'm with you! 
1nbatopshotfan
Politicker
+5
Senior Director, Enterprise Technology
PBC, well said. Really well said. 

The only thing I can add is if this person wants to take a stand and not get the vaccine, then it’s on them to warn everyone at work and everyone they interact with. Their personal decision is putting others at risk. 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Exactly! 
Wolfof7thStreet
Opinionated
+5
AE
100%. my 50 year old, otherwise healthy aunt just passed from COVID. Unvaccinated and didnt wear a mask. Please, just get the shot.
Kinonez
Celebrated Contributor
+9
WR Enthusiast
I'm like you, I let everyone take their decision when it comes to getting the vaccine or not, it is a choice. However, the fact he lied is what doesn’t add up. If he is not pro vaccine just, admit it. Makes you wonder why he has to lie...
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Yeah, I agree with you. You don't have to disclose you got vaccinated but you don't have to lie either.
Kinonez
Celebrated Contributor
+9
WR Enthusiast
For sure, It's also about everyone else's safety. 
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Incognito
WR Officer
+11
Master of Disaster
Sure, it’s a choice. If you choose not to get it, you choose to stay home.

want to go to a sports game? Get vaccinated 

want to go to a restaurant? Get vaccinated 

Concert/club? Vaccinated 

hang out with friends? Vaccinated 

go to the store? Vaccinated 

so yeah, make that choice. Or live in a bunker 🤷‍♀️
ExtremeVibeChecker44
Praised Answer
+2
Inside Sales
Or live in a red state* thank god for Texas
Jbeans
Praised Answer
+3
Director of Sales
Exactly. Why lie? Have the courage of your conviction- I have much more respect for that. Don’t take away my choice to steer clear of you by lying to me. 
Kinonez
Celebrated Contributor
+9
WR Enthusiast
There is absolutely no need to lie...
GrizzleMcThornBody
Politicker
+7
EVP - RevOps
Sorry. I've had two people in my social circle die from COVID. Both caught it and were gone in a week. 

Turn him in or ask him to go remote. Freedom of choice ends when it begins to harms someone else.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
I'm really sorry for your loss. 


GrizzleMcThornBody
Politicker
+7
EVP - RevOps
good dudes. one was a stupid and avoidable. took his mask off in grocery store to say hi and chat w another friend. gone the next week. stupid.
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CoorsKing
WR Officer
+11
King of the Coors Knights
If I feel that someone’s actions put my Heath in jeopardy, then I think it definitely warrants a discussion but I would talk to them first. If that does not change, I would bring it up with your manager but not mention them directly at first. “It has comw Up that some of the team is not vaccinated and I don’t feel comfortable coming in, can I work from home?”

Lying about that is little dick energy.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
It's ok if you don't want to get it, I ''respect'' that, but don't put our lives in Jeopardy. Total little dick enegy... 
ExtremeVibeChecker44
Praised Answer
+2
Inside Sales
Does OP's company mandate vaccinations? Nobody has asked me at my company. But we're WFH.

UserNotFound
Politicker
+9
Mid Market Manager
YES! I’d also eat someone out who showed up to work after running a fever. It’s not a vax thing, it’s a medical-based lie. Fuck that and anyone who does it.
UrAssIsSaaS
Politicker
+7
SaaS Eater
I dont think you meant "eat someone out" but I hope you did cuz thats so aggressive for this situation I love it. Haha
CuriousFox
WR Officer
+11
Senior Account Executive
Omg I cannot breathe 🤣
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HarryCaray
Notable Contributor
+14
Regional VP
You're into some kinky stuff @AnonymousSource 

Talk about a surefire way to catch whatever that person with the fever had!
UserNotFound
Politicker
+9
Mid Market Manager
Best autocorrect of my life, tbh.
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mitts2
Politicker
+8
Account Executive
The fact that he lied about it is what puts me over the edge. That's bullshit.  
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Yeah, there's no need to lie. Be honest, it's ok if you don't want to get vaxxed but don't go around telling people you're taking care of yourself when you're clearly not. 
mitts2
Politicker
+8
Account Executive
Agree. Very selfish with no regard for your community.
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AlphaCharlie
Politicker
+5
Account executive
I'd reach out to him and talk to him about it, he might have his reasons. 
poweredbycaffeine
WR Officer
+9
Bean Juice Drinker | Sales Savant
Science trumps all of his reasons.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Yeah, I tried to talk to him but he got all political.  
mitts2
Politicker
+8
Account Executive
Buddy sounds like a real gem
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Sunbunny31
Opinionated
+3
Sales Executive
A reason to lie?   No good reason, outside of being afraid to face the scorn of others for his choices.   Basically, dude is a chicken.
OpalTiddyChurger
Arsonist
+9
Funbags Enthusiast
Narc. 
InQ5WeTrust
Arsonist
+8
Sales Savages, what is our profession? Trauma!
If people can get vaccinated they should as some people can't and for them Covid can be big no bueno. 

If he's claiming he has to management then that's pretty bad. 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
100% agree. 
InQ5WeTrust
Arsonist
+8
Sales Savages, what is our profession? Trauma!
Your call my guy 
privateryan
Politicker
+5
Director of Sales
The issue is he lied. Companies controlling what you put in your body (drug test, for example) is one thing, but I don’t think they should control what you put in it. I’m vaccinated, but I wouldn’t mandate it in the first place. He shouldn’t lie though, so it’s def a dilemma
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Yeah I agree with you although the company didn't force us to get the vaccine. 
privateryan
Politicker
+5
Director of Sales
All the more reason he shouldn’t have lied. Sell his ass like saas
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privateryan
Politicker
+5
Director of Sales
I should say controlling what you can’t put in your body, and not what you have to put in it…whatever…it kind of made sense while sitting in the dentist office killing time
UrAssIsSaaS
Politicker
+7
SaaS Eater
Whats your/the teams exposure to him? If he is putting you at risk I think you just call him on his bullshit. Political views aside hes now putting others in "danger" and making it worse by not being honest. 

This is the type of bullshit that is going to allow COVID to continue to spread. The lying piece makes my blood boil, make a choice sure but now your putting others in danger AND being dishonest about it. Fuck that, that is the issue. 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
I hear ya bro, sadly this COVID shit is far from over. 
youKNOW
Politicker
+7
Sales Manager
Not getting vaxxed but communicating it...that's a "you do you" situation. Lying about getting vaxxed, even though they haven't...that's a "total shitbag" situation. Fuck 'em, hit up HR and cc everyone.
MinisterOfChaos
Politicker
+5
Commercial Account Executive
I feel like we're missing a key piece of information about this story.

I'm not sure what you would be ratting him out on. If your company doesn't have a mandatory vaccination policy, then he's not breaking any rules.

Speak to him directly and dig deep on why he lied. Maybe he's scared to be "just like everyone else". 
HarryCaray
Notable Contributor
+14
Regional VP
GREAT point here.  Is he opening breaking some company mandate and lying about it?  Or does he just not want to be an outcast from the group?  And how did you determine he was lying?  Did he tell you in confidence because he thought he could trust you, or was he walking around bragging about it?
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Actually, he posted a story on Instagram that pretty much outlined the ''18 reasons why he won't get vaccinated'' or something like that, but he told everyone in the office that he got vaccinated.  So yeah, the company is not forcing us, but obviously, people feel more ''comfortable'' knowing that everybody got vaccinated and is looking out for each other. 
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HarryCaray
Notable Contributor
+14
Regional VP
Ratting out your peer to the "powers that be" for noncompliance sounds a little too close to Stalinist Russia to me.  You can't be "all about freedom of choice" and then turn around and report someone for making their own choice.  Everyone needs to stay out of everyone else's business.  
mitts2
Politicker
+8
Account Executive
It stopped becoming his choice when he lied about it and is putting other people's health in jeopardy. It becomes my business as soon as it affects my health and the people around me.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Couldn't agree more with you, again!  It's everyone's health now. 
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Ja
JakeJay
Manager
I'd totally rat him out!
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Yeah, I'm leaning towards.
alecabral
Arsonist
+8
Director - Digital Sales Transformation
I'd say at this point is not about pushing the guy under the bus anymore but taking care of the team, including yourself. Have you tried talking to him?
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Oh yeah, I tried but at this point he doesn't care anymore. 
alecabral
Arsonist
+8
Director - Digital Sales Transformation
Seems the guy doesn't even care...so talking to HR seems about right.
Lenca
Politicker
+3
BDR
This is stupid, why lie? let him have it
mitts2
Politicker
+8
Account Executive
Getting it or not getting it is his choice, I get that. I might not agree with it, but I get it. Lying about it then breaches that discussion and starts a whole new conversation. This guy is putting others in a seriously harmful and dangerous position without them knowing. Thats fucked. 
Deadskulls
Opinionated
+1
BDR
How did you find out?
cw95
Politicker
+6
Pricing Executive
I’d confront him personally first, as after all like everyone has said it is his decision. However, putting yourself and others in a scenario where it could impact your health isn’t great. If people come in with the normal winter flu they get sent home, same same (kinda) I wouldn’t be solely ratting them out, I’d ask someone above you trust and see what they say. Maybe also ask HR - if it directly impacts you and worries you then that’s what they are there for!
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Absolutely! I think it's a moral obligation.
NoSuperhero
Politicker
+7
BDR
Nah, it ain't that important. If he gets, y'all are vaxxed... so what's the problem?
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Well, you can test positive even if your vaxxed and carry the virus and keep spreading it. 
NoSuperhero
Politicker
+7
BDR
Yeah, so if you're vaxxed the chances of dying or being hospitalized are reduced to near nil.  Same difference, we're starting to worry about flu type of numbers and I get that you're worried about health and all, so it's best to eat healthily, do exercise and take vitamins and you'll be good in my most humble opinion without a doctorate degree on viral infections. Spread that and you'll be much better off.
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Jackywaky
Arsonist
+9
Master of Disaster
Companies are not "like families" - families are toxic af. It's ok to have your own choices and believes but lying about the vaccine makes you wonder if that's the right choice.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
I hear ya, Jacky. 
AllBiteNoBark
Politicker
+7
Account Executive
If the vaccine prevented infection or transmission then I’d report him. But not getting only hurts himself so I’d prob leave it alone
poweredbycaffeine
WR Officer
+9
Bean Juice Drinker | Sales Savant
This is completely illogical. Asymptomatic spread will eventually yield symptomatic infection down the line, heaven forbid if it's an at-risk member of the population who cannot get the vaccine due to medical ineligibility. Why would you let a lit match sit next to a gasoline tank if you can put it out just as easily?
AllBiteNoBark
Politicker
+7
Account Executive
My point is that all the data shows that those who are vaccinated carry the same viral load as those who are not vaccinated, and transmit at a similar if not the same rate. So if I’m vaccinated and can still transmit at the same rate as someone who isn’t, then that at risk person who can’t is fucked either way.
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mitts2
Politicker
+8
Account Executive
See my response to 0Percent
Incognito
WR Officer
+11
Master of Disaster
But wait, you said you weren't vaccinated in the other post....? And you got COVID...? I'm confused
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
My dude, first off, don't try to play ''gotcha'' with me, second I'm fully vaccinated so if you don't have anything productive to say keep on scrolling. 
Incognito
WR Officer
+11
Master of Disaster
Apologies, I confused this with another poster. 

it’s why I LITERALLY said I’m confused. 
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SaaSyBee
Politicker
+5
Sales Content Writer
Yeah, this isn't a normal situation. 

So while snitches get stitches, in this case, he's harming everyone else with his lies and overall negligence.

He is the rat, not you.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
I agree with you, I'd hate to snitch on him but it's not a normal situation. 
Sinatetra
Opinionated
+1
Account Executive
Ok narc
torontowarroomrep
Politicker
+4
Account Executive
Makes you wonder what else they've lied about... 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
I know, right?

okaysalesman
Good Citizen
+1
Account Executive
I'd recommend being level with him and tell him to get the vaccine or Say you'd have to tell on him
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Yeah, he definitely doesn't want to get the vaccine and I'm cool with that, but don't put everyone else in jeopardy by saying you did. 

goose
Politicker
+11
Sales Executive
Yes.  I'd rat him out.  Liars and sales are a shitty mix.  Dude has terrible character.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Absolutely!
matthew
Business Development Manager
I’ll admit it’s a somewhat brutal take and maybe “who cares if he is lying” is a bit overstated. Obviously people care if he is lying or we wouldn’t have this thread. I’ve been going back into the office periodically and know with 100% certainty not everyone is vaccinated. It’s my choice to be around them and frankly, their decision to be vaccinated is their own business. I know the risks of being there with unvaccinated employees. This guy we are referring to is probably afraid of being shamed for not being vaxxed. Whether for personal beliefs, fear, etc and doesn’t want to be the outcast. If you think about it, people talk in the office. A lot. Word has probably already gotten out that he’s not vaccinated and to be avoided if you fear for your health. If there’s no corporate mandate on getting it and if people who are that concerned about it fear for their health being around unvaccinated employees, then they should raise that with HR and make it about them and the angst this is causing, not other employees. I just don’t see how reporting this employee accomplishes anything vs. making it about your own personal health concerns. I think that is the better route here. The question is would you rat out your coworker. No. If the question was should I have a conversation with HR about my own safety concerns and said employee gets mentioned. Yes.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Hey Matthew! I Appreciate your input man. 
DataSlangah
Politicker
+4
SAE
I could care less if you get vaccinated or not - that is your choice, but at least have the balls to own your choices.  
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
+9
International Sales Director
Absolutely! Own it! 
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