Would you rat out your co-worker?

To put y'all in context:


YES, this is another COVID-related post.


Our company is doing very well, team morale is high, everyone's is extremely motivated, exceeding quotas and shit... I guess you can say we're finally a TEAM.


Every employee in the company but one got vaxxed (voluntarily) and I found out he lied about getting it. I'm cool with people not getting vaccinated but this new delta variant is getting out of control and to make things worse this guy has been partying like he's in college. I'm all about freedom of choice and shit but we're living in unprecedented times and it's our moral obligation to protect our community, especially our workplace.


Would you rat him out? I don't want to throw him under the bus and hurt our team but come on dude...


Would you...?

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poweredbycaffeine
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Those who are saying no: fuck off with your high and mighty bullshit.

Contrary to what your culture team says, this company is not your family...this is a life and death situation for some, maybe even some of the people you work with or their immediate family.

If you can get vaccinated, it's your responsibility to protect those around you by getting vaccinated.

Oh, but PBC, what about my freedom and liberty? The flipside of liberty is responsibility, and a lot of people are shirking away from that portion of morality because you think you're some kind of fucking genius.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, that's fine, but wear your mask. If you don't want to wear your mask, that's fine, stay the fuck home and stop risking the lives of others because the internet told you so.

Downvote me, I don't care. Your coworker deserves to be exposed before they expose you and others to asymptomatic contraction, which can easily pass to those who cannot get vaccinated, like children.
UrAssIsSaaS
Arsonist
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SaaS Eater
Let it rip PBC, shout it from the fucking rooftops 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
100%
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
PREACH brother, couldn't agree more with you!  
mitts2
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Account Executive
preach
jefe
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So glad to see answers like these as the top comments.

It's not a game...
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
I'm with you! 
1nbatopshotfan
Politicker
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Sales
PBC, well said. Really well said. 

The only thing I can add is if this person wants to take a stand and not get the vaccine, then it’s on them to warn everyone at work and everyone they interact with. Their personal decision is putting others at risk. 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Exactly! 
Wolfof7thStreet
Valued Contributor
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AE
100%. my 50 year old, otherwise healthy aunt just passed from COVID. Unvaccinated and didnt wear a mask. Please, just get the shot.
Kinonez
Celebrated Contributor
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War Room Enthusiast
I'm like you, I let everyone take their decision when it comes to getting the vaccine or not, it is a choice. However, the fact he lied is what doesn’t add up. If he is not pro vaccine just, admit it. Makes you wonder why he has to lie...
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
8
International Sales Director
Yeah, I agree with you. You don't have to disclose you got vaccinated but you don't have to lie either.
Kinonez
Celebrated Contributor
3
War Room Enthusiast
For sure, It's also about everyone else's safety. 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Absolutely bro! 
Maximas
Tycoon
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Senior Sales Executive
Correct.
Incognito
WR Officer
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Master of Disaster
Sure, it’s a choice. If you choose not to get it, you choose to stay home.

want to go to a sports game? Get vaccinated 

want to go to a restaurant? Get vaccinated 

Concert/club? Vaccinated 

hang out with friends? Vaccinated 

go to the store? Vaccinated 

so yeah, make that choice. Or live in a bunker 🤷‍♀️
ExtremeVibeChecker44
Arsonist
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Inside Sales
Or live in a red state* thank god for Texas
Jbeans
Opinionated
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Director of Sales
Exactly. Why lie? Have the courage of your conviction- I have much more respect for that. Don’t take away my choice to steer clear of you by lying to me. 
Kinonez
Celebrated Contributor
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War Room Enthusiast
There is absolutely no need to lie...
hh456
Celebrated Contributor
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sales
Sorry. I've had two people in my social circle die from COVID. Both caught it and were gone in a week. 

Turn him in or ask him to go remote. Freedom of choice ends when it begins to harms someone else.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
I'm really sorry for your loss. 


hh456
Celebrated Contributor
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sales
good dudes. one was a stupid and avoidable. took his mask off in grocery store to say hi and chat w another friend. gone the next week. stupid.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Damn, that really sucks.
CoorsKing
WR Officer
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Retired King of the Coors Knights
If I feel that someone’s actions put my Heath in jeopardy, then I think it definitely warrants a discussion but I would talk to them first. If that does not change, I would bring it up with your manager but not mention them directly at first. “It has comw Up that some of the team is not vaccinated and I don’t feel comfortable coming in, can I work from home?”

Lying about that is little dick energy.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
It's ok if you don't want to get it, I ''respect'' that, but don't put our lives in Jeopardy. Total little dick enegy... 
ExtremeVibeChecker44
Arsonist
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Inside Sales
Does OP's company mandate vaccinations? Nobody has asked me at my company. But we're WFH.

UserNotFound
Politicker
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Account Executive
YES! I’d also eat someone out who showed up to work after running a fever. It’s not a vax thing, it’s a medical-based lie. Fuck that and anyone who does it.
UrAssIsSaaS
Arsonist
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SaaS Eater
I dont think you meant "eat someone out" but I hope you did cuz thats so aggressive for this situation I love it. Haha
CuriousFox
WR Officer
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Omg I cannot breathe 🤣
UrAssIsSaaS
Arsonist
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SaaS Eater
Ya Im dead. I had to read it like three times to make sure I wasn't missing something
goose
Politicker
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Sales Executive
Crying...
UserNotFound
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Account Executive
Definitely meant rat- but not changing it now because it’s too good.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
HAHAHAHAHA 
HarryCaray
Notable Contributor
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HMFIC
You're into some kinky stuff @AnonymousSource 

Talk about a surefire way to catch whatever that person with the fever had!
UserNotFound
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Account Executive
Best autocorrect of my life, tbh.
UserNotFound
Politicker
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Account Executive
Although, fun-fact, a Dr. friend of mine once told me that illnesses are not contagious via *those* bodily fluids... so, I think I'd be safe! 
HarryCaray
Notable Contributor
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HMFIC
Eat up!
UserNotFound
Politicker
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Account Executive
I’m a straight female though, so… pass. 🤣
Hosshead
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Retired
LMAO!
BmajoR
Arsonist
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Account Executive
Narc. 
mitts2
Politicker
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Account Executive
The fact that he lied about it is what puts me over the edge. That's bullshit.  
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Yeah, there's no need to lie. Be honest, it's ok if you don't want to get vaxxed but don't go around telling people you're taking care of yourself when you're clearly not. 
mitts2
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Account Executive
Agree. Very selfish with no regard for your community.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Extremely selfish, I'm ok if you don't want to get vaxxed but don't put everyone in jeopardy. 
AlphaCharlie
Arsonist
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Account executive
I'd reach out to him and talk to him about it, he might have his reasons. 
poweredbycaffeine
WR Lieutenant
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Science trumps all of his reasons.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Yeah, I tried to talk to him but he got all political.  
mitts2
Politicker
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Account Executive
Buddy sounds like a real gem
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Tell me about it! 
Sunbunny31
Politicker
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Sr Sales Executive 🐰
A reason to lie?   No good reason, outside of being afraid to face the scorn of others for his choices.   Basically, dude is a chicken.
InQ5WeTrust
Arsonist
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No marketing, mayo isn't an MQL
If people can get vaccinated they should as some people can't and for them Covid can be big no bueno. 

If he's claiming he has to management then that's pretty bad. 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
100% agree. 
InQ5WeTrust
Arsonist
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No marketing, mayo isn't an MQL
Your call my guy 
UrAssIsSaaS
Arsonist
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SaaS Eater
Whats your/the teams exposure to him? If he is putting you at risk I think you just call him on his bullshit. Political views aside hes now putting others in "danger" and making it worse by not being honest. 

This is the type of bullshit that is going to allow COVID to continue to spread. The lying piece makes my blood boil, make a choice sure but now your putting others in danger AND being dishonest about it. Fuck that, that is the issue. 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
I hear ya bro, sadly this COVID shit is far from over. 
privateryan
Politicker
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Director of Sales
The issue is he lied. Companies controlling what you put in your body (drug test, for example) is one thing, but I don’t think they should control what you put in it. I’m vaccinated, but I wouldn’t mandate it in the first place. He shouldn’t lie though, so it’s def a dilemma
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Yeah I agree with you although the company didn't force us to get the vaccine. 
privateryan
Politicker
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Director of Sales
All the more reason he shouldn’t have lied. Sell his ass like saas
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Yeah, he's stupid. 
privateryan
Politicker
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Director of Sales
I should say controlling what you can’t put in your body, and not what you have to put in it…whatever…it kind of made sense while sitting in the dentist office killing time
youKNOW
Politicker
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Sales Manager
Not getting vaxxed but communicating it...that's a "you do you" situation. Lying about getting vaxxed, even though they haven't...that's a "total shitbag" situation. Fuck 'em, hit up HR and cc everyone.
MinisterOfChaos
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Commercial Account Executive
I feel like we're missing a key piece of information about this story.

I'm not sure what you would be ratting him out on. If your company doesn't have a mandatory vaccination policy, then he's not breaking any rules.

Speak to him directly and dig deep on why he lied. Maybe he's scared to be "just like everyone else". 
HarryCaray
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HMFIC
GREAT point here.  Is he opening breaking some company mandate and lying about it?  Or does he just not want to be an outcast from the group?  And how did you determine he was lying?  Did he tell you in confidence because he thought he could trust you, or was he walking around bragging about it?
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Actually, he posted a story on Instagram that pretty much outlined the ''18 reasons why he won't get vaccinated'' or something like that, but he told everyone in the office that he got vaccinated.  So yeah, the company is not forcing us, but obviously, people feel more ''comfortable'' knowing that everybody got vaccinated and is looking out for each other. 
nomdeguerre
Executive
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Account executive
I'm just gonna be the devil's advocate here and say, the fact that he posted some story about a bunch of reason not to get vaccinated doesn't actually mean/prove he didn't get vaccinated.

Perhaps he is just postering for his anti-vax social circle while in reality being vaccinated... you know a bit like Trump ;-)

Anywho, I agree with your point that if you are not vaccinated but told everybody you are, then you are a dick who is putting everyone at risk based on your nonsense freedom narrative.

I would confront him about it and if he confirms that he is not vaccinated and lied about it, then by all means out him to his/your boss.
HarryCaray
Notable Contributor
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HMFIC
Ratting out your peer to the "powers that be" for noncompliance sounds a little too close to Stalinist Russia to me.  You can't be "all about freedom of choice" and then turn around and report someone for making their own choice.  Everyone needs to stay out of everyone else's business.  
mitts2
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It stopped becoming his choice when he lied about it and is putting other people's health in jeopardy. It becomes my business as soon as it affects my health and the people around me.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Couldn't agree more with you, again!  It's everyone's health now. 
HarryCaray
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HMFIC
You lost me at "it stopped becoming his choice".  You don't have to like how people choose to live their lives, but the fact of the matter is he hasn't broken any laws.  One individual is not responsible for someone else's (or everyone else's) health.  We all have our own risk tolerance.  If you're that freaked out by someone choosing not to get the vax, or concerned about him lying about it, just stay home.  Because I can almost guarantee he's not the only one lying about having gotten it, even if he's the only one who posted something stupid on IG.  

You may not agree with it, but there are people that are hesitant to get the shot.  And they have every right to feel the way that they do just the way that you have the right to feel the way that you do.  We either live in a free society or we don't.  We don't get to decide how other people live their lives, especially when he's not breaking a law or a company policy.  When one or both of those things change, then it's a different conversation.

Might be a tough pill to swallow, but these are the little things that matter when we decide that we want to be a free nation - or little by little give up our individual rights for some kind of false sense of security.  

I hope you're open to this point of view.  Last thing we need in this country and around the world is more division and refusal to consider the long term implications of knee jerk reactions.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Thanks for your input, Harry. You made a fair point and I respect it.
JakeJay
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Manager
I'd totally rat him out!
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Yeah, I'm leaning towards.
alecabral
Arsonist
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Director - Digital Sales Transformation
I'd say at this point is not about pushing the guy under the bus anymore but taking care of the team, including yourself. Have you tried talking to him?
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Oh yeah, I tried but at this point he doesn't care anymore. 
alecabral
Arsonist
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Director - Digital Sales Transformation
Seems the guy doesn't even care...so talking to HR seems about right.
Lenca
Politicker
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BDR
This is stupid, why lie? let him have it
mitts2
Politicker
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Account Executive
Getting it or not getting it is his choice, I get that. I might not agree with it, but I get it. Lying about it then breaches that discussion and starts a whole new conversation. This guy is putting others in a seriously harmful and dangerous position without them knowing. Thats fucked. 
Deadskulls
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BDR
How did you find out?
cw95
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Sales Development Lead
I’d confront him personally first, as after all like everyone has said it is his decision. However, putting yourself and others in a scenario where it could impact your health isn’t great. If people come in with the normal winter flu they get sent home, same same (kinda) I wouldn’t be solely ratting them out, I’d ask someone above you trust and see what they say. Maybe also ask HR - if it directly impacts you and worries you then that’s what they are there for!
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Absolutely! I think it's a moral obligation.
NoSuperhero
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BDR LEAD
Nah, it ain't that important. If he gets, y'all are vaxxed... so what's the problem?
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Well, you can test positive even if your vaxxed and carry the virus and keep spreading it. 
NoSuperhero
Politicker
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BDR LEAD
Yeah, so if you're vaxxed the chances of dying or being hospitalized are reduced to near nil.  Same difference, we're starting to worry about flu type of numbers and I get that you're worried about health and all, so it's best to eat healthily, do exercise and take vitamins and you'll be good in my most humble opinion without a doctorate degree on viral infections. Spread that and you'll be much better off.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
100 agree, bud! 
RealPatrickBateman
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🔪Amateur Butcher🔪
@NoSuperhero I was starting to worry there wasn't anyone here with common sense. MY G. Eat healthy, exercise, get vitamin D. The oldest prescription in the book, because it WORKS. 

Mr.Pickles
Arsonist
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
Companies are not "like families" - families are toxic af. It's ok to have your own choices and believes but lying about the vaccine makes you wonder if that's the right choice.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
I hear ya, Jacky. 
MaximumRaizer
Politicker
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Sales Manager
YES! I’d also eat someone out who showed up to work after running a fever. It’s not a vax thing, it’s a medical-based lie. Fuck that and anyone who does it.
Gasty
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War Room Community Manager
@UserNotFound: these ⬆️ are the ones who copy the name as well, while copying an assignment.
UserNotFound
Politicker
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Account Executive
🤣
Blackwargreymon
Politicker
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MDR
Contrary to what your culture team says, this company is not your family...this is a life and death situation for some, maybe even some of the people you work with or their immediate family.
FattySnacks
Politicker
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Senior Account Executive
If the vaccine prevented infection or transmission then I’d report him. But not getting only hurts himself so I’d prob leave it alone
poweredbycaffeine
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This is completely illogical. Asymptomatic spread will eventually yield symptomatic infection down the line, heaven forbid if it's an at-risk member of the population who cannot get the vaccine due to medical ineligibility. Why would you let a lit match sit next to a gasoline tank if you can put it out just as easily?
FattySnacks
Politicker
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Senior Account Executive
My point is that all the data shows that those who are vaccinated carry the same viral load as those who are not vaccinated, and transmit at a similar if not the same rate. So if I’m vaccinated and can still transmit at the same rate as someone who isn’t, then that at risk person who can’t is fucked either way.
JECU
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Account Manager / Co-Founder
I’m seeing the same data and was having this same conversation with members of my family. They thought if they got vaccinated they couldn’t spread, but informed them how mRNA worked and all were surprised as that isn’t widely circulated information.
mitts2
Politicker
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Account Executive
See my response to 0Percent
Incognito
WR Officer
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Master of Disaster
But wait, you said you weren't vaccinated in the other post....? And you got COVID...? I'm confused
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
5
International Sales Director
My dude, first off, don't try to play ''gotcha'' with me, second I'm fully vaccinated so if you don't have anything productive to say keep on scrolling. 
Incognito
WR Officer
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Master of Disaster
Apologies, I confused this with another poster. 

it’s why I LITERALLY said I’m confused. 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
It’s all good bro. No need to apologize, sorry I overreacted.
Incognito
WR Officer
1
Master of Disaster
*not a dudebro
SaaSyBee
Politicker
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Founder
Yeah, this isn't a normal situation. 

So while snitches get stitches, in this case, he's harming everyone else with his lies and overall negligence.

He is the rat, not you.
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
1
International Sales Director
I agree with you, I'd hate to snitch on him but it's not a normal situation. 
Sinatetra
Opinionated
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AE (Account Executive)
Ok narc
torontowarroomrep
Politicker
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Account Executive
Makes you wonder what else they've lied about... 
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
2
International Sales Director
I know, right?

okaysalesman
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Account Executive
I'd recommend being level with him and tell him to get the vaccine or Say you'd have to tell on him
bamageorge
Celebrated Contributor
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International Sales Director
Yeah, he definitely doesn't want to get the vaccine and I'm cool with that, but don't put everyone else in jeopardy by saying you did. 

goose
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Sales Executive
Yes.  I'd rat him out.  Liars and sales are a shitty mix.  Dude has terrible character.
bamageorge
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International Sales Director
Absolutely!
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