I matched with one. Accepted it yesterday because I realized I probably wasn't going to be hired for a job by year's end and I'm really anxious about being unemployed. I haven't heard anything back yet regarding next steps so we'll see what happens.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Sending positive vibes your way. And may it be the beginning of a lot of good things. Keep us posted.

poweredbycaffeine

WR Lieutenant

☕️

I am in highly suspect of the validity of the service.

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

Same

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

No, but to be fair I'm not signed up either. I'm watching from the sidelines first. 👀🍿

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

Moi aussi

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Same here. One job right now is enough, but I'm super intrigued.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Dang I got quite a few downvotes for saying the truth 🤔

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Really? Odd.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Yeah like 9 - quite a few bots hate the 🦊

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Damn bots.

bravadojanitor

Opinionated

product

Hey everyone, just wanted to provide some clarity/behind-the-scenes. To be clear, I hear your frustrations about Bravado Jobs and understand where you're coming from.

The traditional way of applying to jobs is - you see tons and tons of openings but have no way of knowing (1) if they are still active (2) if you qualify. So yes, you can apply directly to these postings but more often than not, you don't hear back (my personal experience from sending 50 apps a day).

Bravado Jobs is designed to cut out the noise. We aren't the traditional way of applying to jobs, we stand behind our new way of job matching. For transparency, Bravado Jobs matches are done by SalesGPT/AI. The matches are made based on 2 things: (1) what the employer/job poster specified are requirements (2) what you shared in your Bravado Jobs profile.

Why? For a few reasons, but the main reason is to give you a better job application experience.

When you fill up your Bravado Jobs profile, you are automatically applying to ALL jobs available on Bravado. So the matches you see in your Bravado profile mean (1) the post is still active (2) you qualify based on your Bravado jobs profile. And this is when you go in and review your match. So yes, you should expect to see way less matches.

For now, it hurts because the sales industry isn't back on its feet and isn't hiring aggressively. So you end up only with the rare job matches. But in the future, when the sales industry is on fire (in a good way) again, you will see more job matches - naturally.

And to be clear, there is NO bait and switch happening via LinkedIn. Every posting you see up there has an active vacancy that is reviewing profiles for it. How can you be sure? Because I have regular meetings with LinkedIn where I have to show them the active vacancies on our platform and match them up nicely to the LinkedIn posts.

Again, happy to chat offline - book some time with me via my profile.

cc: @CadenceCombat

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Thank you for this. It helps to know how things work.

slaydie

Big Shot

Account Executive

I signed up but hadn't heard anything. Curious to see how others experience goes.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

I said the same thing and got downvoted to hell 😆

Kosta_Konfucius

Politicker

Sales Rep

Feel like is 3 at a time, then quite for a month, then another 3

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

I haven’t been paying attention. My curiosity is tempered by my terrible experience doing what I thought was applying for a job on bravado which was posted on LinkedIn, only to come to find that there was no “founding AE” role within my specified geography… Total bait & switch bullshit that we routinely come here to complain about.

This was a while ago but I was really, really disappointed to see Bravado sinking to those depths to boost new user signups, whether it was by design or not.@sahil @Gasty

EDIT: So after some clarification, it does seem like the Bravado job posts do exist. Users may not qualify to be considered but it’s not the blatant bait and switch that I originally hypothesized. Scroll down for the breakdown from @bravadojanitor and the subsequent exchange.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

👀🍿‼

Gasty

Notable Contributor

War Room Community Manager

Really can't comment on what role you came across, for which geography and why you formed an opinion that it was bait & switch. DM me the job role link if you still have it or anything you remember about it and I'll try to find out more. In the meantime, how about giving Flex another whirl? Who knows, the stars might just align this time?

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

It’s nothing personal but there were job postings on linkedin, directing you to sign up to bravado to apply only to find out that the gig didnt exist. Thus, bait and switch.

Could potentially have been an old job posting that didnt get closed out. It was going back a while so I don’t remember the details. Just that it left a bad taste in my mouth.

poweredbycaffeine

WR Lieutenant

☕️

How about listing all of the companies participating in flex and the roles open. Be transparent. It’s wild.

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

Exactly

Gasty

Notable Contributor

War Room Community Manager

@bravadojanitor

bravadojanitor

Opinionated

product

Agreeing this user experience is terrible, and it's on the roadmap to change. However, if you click on a job posting via LinkedIn and land in Bravado Jobs post logging in, it means you were not matched to that specific job post. NOT that it doesn't exist.

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

That’s fair (and i’ll add an edit to my comment highlighting this) but you guys aren’t really forthcoming with that process ahead of data collection and its the data collection piece that is most egregious in my opinion.

I do appreciate the acknowledgment of my feedback but the piece that is most concerning to me is the client data your trying to extract from applicants as part of the application process.

I started an application on LinkedIn for one of your postings just to see what the process is like and soliciting me for my personal client data as part of the process just to be in contention to get considered for a job post seems like a pretty blatant overreach from a data collection perspective.

I’ll talk about the clients I’ve closed during an interview process all day long but aggregating the data from all applicants via an automated application process is a bad look.

If people want to volunteer that data to Bravado as part of the Win Wire, fine. But requiring client info as part of a prequalification process really feels like an overreach, taking advantage of desperate job seekers in a tough job market.

I’m all for Bravado having a revenue stream of somekind but the prequalification threshold and data collection only benefits bravado and employers.

If this was all truly in service of Bravado users, you would disclose the screening criteria before trying to solicit that info.

@bravadojanitor

bravadojanitor

Opinionated

product

I appreciate you being open-minded to my perspective, so thank you!

Well, actually, if I can provide more context as well. Bravado is not mining data :) Follow my train of thought here because it's gonna get messy:
The only way Bravado makes money is by placing reps in vacancies - this is our only product. No, we don't sell data, we have no use for any of your data EXCEPT to place you in a vacancy to guarantee Bravado gets paid.
Keeping in mind we are a sales-only jobs portal, hiring companies are sold on : Bravado makes sure the rep/seller is the right seller based on the requirements the company sets. NO NEED TO SIEVE THROUGH PDFs OF RESUME.

As part of the hiring company's onboarding, they literally have to tell us their dream sales person: (1) types of products sold (2) stakeholders sold to

These 'stakeholders' are more a way for hiring companies to vet reps/salespersons. For instance, a SaaS company selling HR software ONLY wants sellers who sell to Directors/VPs at HR companies OR HR folk at specific companies.

What does this mean? If you have tons of experience selling HR solutions to HR stakeholders, but you do not indicate this in your Bravado Jobs profile, you will never be matched. This is because employers don't get your CV, they get only your Bravado Jobs profile.

How does Bravado get this rep profile data for the purpose of filling vacancies? The only way is through onboarding users/building job profiles to get the right data ON YOUR PROFILE so that SalesGPT/AI can match better.

TLDR: Bravado only gets paid if you get placed and we have no use for your data otherwise

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Couldn't you make money by selling our data though 🤔

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

Exactly. Just because it’s not something that is actively being done doesn’t negate the fact that it is something you could do with the exact same workflow should you choose and that still makes me uneasy regardless.

poweredbycaffeine

WR Lieutenant

☕️

“No use for your data otherwise” — need help getting started on that slippery slope?

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

😂💯

bravadojanitor

Opinionated

product

Hey @CadenceCombat, @CuriousFox and @poweredbycaffeine !
The specific screen you have an issue with is meant to demonstrate to the hiring manager who you've sold to at which company (type of company - industry, size, vertical, etc.). Our whole onboarding is to showcase how good a seller you are, but..

Absolutely no worries at all. I'm not forcing anybody to share any information they don't want to, my only goal here was to provide you guys a look behind the hood.
But also want to point out that only the information you input in Bravado Jobs is used to pair you with Jobs here, so if you have no matches even though you thought you'd be a good fit for an opening you saw - you probably are, but Bravado will never know and the hiring manager will never know either.

Anyway, back to building for me. All the best to you 3!

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

Way too premature to ask specific client info before connecting with an applicant.

Imagine wanting to buy a car and not being able to be seen by anyone in the showroom before you hand over your driver’s license, go through a credit approval process and sharing your insurance details. This is exactly how bravado is treating the application process. Have you ever sold anything @bravadojanitor before? Because you really don’t seem to grasp this part of it.

If you take a woman out on a date, do you submit your credit score beforehand? Why not? Hey, we’re just trying to expedite the dating process for your benefit, can’t you see that?

Don’t give me this bullshit. It’s completely inappropriate.

The benefit you highlighted of not having to sift through resume PDFs demonstrates to me that you don’t really know who your audience is here because that’s a benefit to bravado and employers. Not applicants.

Again, the short version: Making the burden of proof higher for job applicants to be considered for job placement does not empower salespeople. It empowers your corporate clients (employers).

Thoughts? @CuriousFox @poweredbycaffeine

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Cadence I cannot speak for @poweredbycaffeine however I can say I thought our data was/is being sold. Kinda comes with the territory IMO. Regardless, your feelings/thoughts are valid bb ❤🦊

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

I’m still not convinced our data isn’t being sold, personally.

poweredbycaffeine

WR Lieutenant

☕️

I will likely never use Bravado Flex and have never signed up. I was simply asking for proof of companies participating in Flex and the roles they have open as a means of transparency.

poweredbycaffeine

WR Lieutenant

☕️

Whoever keeps downvoting me is a bitch. Respond so I can mark you down as 100% bitch made for being mad I don’t like your toxic side hustle culture.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Complete bitch tendencies. I've got quite a few haters recently too. Face me so we can talk it out fool 🦊

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

I’ve been getting the same thing.

ThatNewAE

Big Shot

Account Executive - Mid enterprise

I think it's fair to say that we need to give them some time to come up with results. It's just been a few days I guess. So.

BTQ

Politicker

Account Manager

For sure, I just had a noticeable uptick. I only matched with one company first 12 months on the app. Last two weeks I got like 5-6.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Flex has been around for a bit. It's not brand new. The experiences of folks who have tried this are valid.

pirate

Big Shot

🦜☠️ Account Executive

Would be curious to hear more about experiences with it

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Samesies

Beans

Big Shot

Enterprise Account Executive

Nothing yet but super interested.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

The curiosity is killin the 🦊

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

i've had 1 match on Jobs ever. and 0 on Flex. probably because i'm not saas experienced. but it doesn't feel revolutionary to me, to sit around and hope i get matched by AI. that doesn't scream "cut out the noise"..feels more employer centric, make it easy for them to find people with specific experience. doesn't feel like it helps the job hunter much. but that's just my experience

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

My point exactly! Thank you!

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Have you tried the RepVue version? Legit curious to hear about the comparison.

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

No! i didnt know they had one. now that i'm not an idiot, i'll check it out. probably similar though. figuring out how to place candidates is always going to be hard and i dont know if anyone will ever truly figure it out

wolfofmiami

Opinionated

🐺

Had a couple of matches 1 I wasn’t interested in the other one hired someone after we set up an interview.

GDO

Politicker

BDM

I can't start doing this yet

SPT

Valued Contributor

Director, Channel Sales & Partner Alliances

I'm sad I matched / applied for 2 and have hear nothing...crickets. 😢

unclespacejam

Politicker

ur dad’s brother

STILL haven’t seen a fucking thing despite Flex floating around for the last year or so

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