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Is it time to get out of here?

I've been thinking of leaving the US for a long time (almost had the opportunity but then COVID happenned) and things are going to decline much faster than I think some people realize. anyone have experience with getting a visa in another country? or job searching abroad? or is it better to get a US based remote job and move abroad? any help would be appreciatedย 
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SaaSam
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Account Executive
It varies so much depending on where you're planning to go. Personally I'd just get a US based remote job and move abroad. Unless you honestly plan on not setting foot in the States at all for six months at a time.
FormerStartupJobHopper
Tycoon
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AE
Do you mean bc of politics? There will always be political BS that half or more of the country disagrees with. That doesn't mean that it's a good idea to abandon ship to another country.ย 

We may just have different view points. I believe this is still the greatest country in the world and the best place to make something of yourself and provide for your family, even when things happen in government that I don't like (that's going to happen constantly, for everyone regardless of political persuasion). This is also my home and the only country I've ever known, so it would have to be cataclysmic here as opposed to another place for me to want to leave.

It's your call. But my guess is you are watching the news too much. Turn off the TV, get off Twitter, and you'll find that things are not as bad as they seem, IMO.
peachykeen
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business partner
How do you know it's the greatest country when it's the only one you've ever known?
LightingLeader
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Specification Sales
This country has always sucked and itโ€™s quickly devolving into christofascism. Everyone saying how great it is should look at quality of life and democracy indexes around the world. We are nowhere near the top
LightingLeader
Valued Contributor
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Specification Sales
I also wasnโ€™t trying to discuss why Iโ€™m leaving and rather how I can
TennisandSales
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Enterprise Account Executive
I dont have too much experience except ive had family members join big companies that paid for them to leave the country.ย 

This could be something to try and do if you want any expenses covered. idk if ive ever heard of this happening for sales ppl though. id be interested to see how this goes for you.ย 
FormerStartupJobHopper
Tycoon
1
AE
It's your life, more power to you. I disagree with your premise and know that you will find things to hate about any country you move to if you need every political decision to align with your personal preferences in order to be happy. But again, your call.ย 
LightingLeader
Valued Contributor
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Specification Sales
All countries suck but there are like 20 Iโ€™d rather be in
FormerStartupJobHopper
Tycoon
0
AE
Your life man. Best wishes
saasbaby
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SDR
Agreed - this is the greatest country in the world.ย 

Our government, despite its ups and downs, has a great checks and balances in place compared to other countries. We have many freedoms that other countries do not have.ย 
WenWest15
Executive
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Principal Business Development Manager
Do we though? My uterus disagrees, as do my kids doing active shooter drills. Just a disgrace.
saasbaby
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SDR
Yes, we do.

We can agree to disagree on this platform.
1nbatopshotfan
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Senior Director, Enterprise Technology
If youโ€™re serious about this, you have a lot of work to do.ย 

Where do you want to go?ย 
Whatโ€™s the policy for Americans living/working there?ย 
Do you have any ties to the country youโ€™re moving to?ย 
What are the tax implications?
Will your job support your move, or do you need to find a role consulting for a company trying to break into the US?ย 

Without work taking you there, you need to just like do a ton ton ton of work.ย 

My BIL was recently transferred to London, and his company took care of everything and it was still a logistical nightmare.ย 

good luck.ย 
LordBusiness
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Chief Revenue Officer
Yeah, every country makes you do the dance a bit different - and make no mistake being an American selling in another country ainโ€™t easy โ€” so many different cultures and customs and nuances to learn, not saying it canโ€™t be done. But itโ€™s certainly not a walk in the park
AgastyaAdams
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Sales Development Manager
that pissed, eh?
LightingLeader
Valued Contributor
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Specification Sales
I already had reasons for leaving but itโ€™s becoming abundantly clear that things are heading inโ€ฆa direction
slingerrr
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BDR
Iโ€™ve just recently got a job working in Spain. In terms of their visa process, itโ€™s a nightmare. My company is helping me out but even still, itโ€™s a slow process and a visa isnโ€™t always guaranteed.

As some people have mentioned, every country is different in terms of its visa requirements, taxes, remote work legality, etc.

If thereโ€™s a company that can sponsor you for a visa, better. That way you have a foot in the door (and theyโ€™ll probably take care of the legal fees).

Additionally, itโ€™s going to be a fair amount of work to achieve the visa, meet country requirements, etc. However, if you truly are interested in living and working abroad, then itโ€™s definitely worth researching.

In terms of my experience in Spain, I enjoy living and working here, but the pay is atrocious in comparison to the US (another consideration if the company is based in the country you want to live in). But if you get a remote job with a US based company, I donโ€™t think youโ€™d have to worry about taking a pay cut.

At the end of the day, I think itโ€™s always nice to get out of your home country for a bit for a change of airs. Recharge the batteries, find the fire again.

Best of luck with your decision!
jefe
Arsonist
1
Head of Sales
As a Canadian, I can't imagine living in the US these days
WholesomeGuy95
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Area Sales Manager
Not sure what you are interested in but many countries changed to extremely generous immigration policies for Americans when covid happened. I believe that Costa Rica for instance (freaking gorgeous country) has a program where Americans can get a 2 year visa with a remote job quite easily. Don't close any doors though- I think the US is going to be just fine :) Good luck!
Beefany28
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Account Executive
I had a friend who moved to Australia and she said that it was kind of difficult at first adjusting, but she said that the visa process was pretty smooth and that she found work really quickly. She stayed working remote in the US until she got her work visa, and then found work there. She said she loves it. She was terrified leaving the US cuz it was all she knew, but she said it was the best decision she ever made!
CuriousFox
WR Officer
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Senior Account Executive
If you wanna go then go ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ
FinanceEngineer
Politicker
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Channel Sales Director
Not really. If you have the means to just move to another country, your life wonโ€™t be much better there. The money is volumes better, and at our levels, the Beni fits cover the issues that people complain about.

We literally live in an country where wealth and status change so much of our day to day lives.
Pachacuti
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They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy
Why? Think the grass is greener elsewhere? Think again. Everywhere has its issues.

I have travelled much of the world and with few exceptions (based on climate and my personal hobbies) I would stay in the US - especially for professional reasons.

LightingLeader
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Specification Sales
Everywhere has issues but they donโ€™t have a very clearly rising christofascist movement lmao. I donโ€™t care about money, I grew up poor. If I can be happy, drink some wine, own a house, Iโ€™ll be happy
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