CRAG112

Account Executive

Why the WFO Argument Falls Flat

People love to quote culture, or claim young people need guidance, (never mind no one knows how to do that anyways) or they like to start rambling on about camaraderie and team building and etc.

But the reality is always that we don't work for free. Here for monies, not friends or that other nonsense.

If you got to the office to get a sense of purpose with people or you try to justify it with that logic..... Get some friends. Join meetup.com and attend any number of events and activities, it's a good start if you don't know where to begin.

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CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Yup. I don't buy into the "collaboration wah wah wah" bs either. I can easily collab via Teams. Proven to work for 3 years. The way we work has changed. I don't understand how folks refuse to have learned nothing from the pandemic.

CRAG112

Valued Contributor

Account Executive

The status quo fights with all it has when the people start progressing.

ReadTheScript

Politicker

Sales Manager

The stage of the company matters. No one seems to want to talk about that

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

All quite true..

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Well hello there stranger danger ‼🐈‼

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

Howdy Foxy.

My wife had our baby last week. Been a tad busy leading up to and since.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Mazel!!! ❤

Justatitle

Big Shot

Account Executive

All true, RTO mandates are ways to get people to quit without doing a layoff most of the time.

BmajoR

Arsonist

Account Executive

I live right by my office so I don't mind, however I would love the flexibility to do hybrid. 3 days a week in office is reasonable to me.

CRAG112

Valued Contributor

Account Executive

Sounds like Zoominfo would love you.

BmajoR

Arsonist

Account Executive

Nah, I'm good. I also got my best friends jobs with me, so that makes it a lot easier.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Gong ruined you

BmajoR

Arsonist

Account Executive

Square up

Diablo

Politicker

Sr. AE

Yo, agree with that

Pachacuti

Politicker

They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy

So I take it you are against WFO? If that is the case, from a Sales POV, I disagree.

When my client WFH it’s very hard to meet
Up In person. They simply don’t want to. And getting more than 1 in the same room is even harder.

When they WFO, it’s much easier to see them in person, take them out to lunch, etc. selling is easier.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

As an AE who used to travel a fair amount to meet with customers, and who hasn't met a customer in person since 2019....I feel this. I'm willing to meet them in person, but get deferred because their teams are scattered and in different geos. I miss meeting my customers, but if they're all WFH or from different offices, c'est la vie. It's not me, it's them - and I'm not sensing that my customers are going to be changing any time soon.

CRAG112

Valued Contributor

Account Executive

People still buy. So who cares at the end of the day, right?

ARRisLife

Politicker

Account Executive

^ this. Same here- I was on the road 2-4 times per month pre-covid, usually traveling to a few different cities for a couple days of meetings booked together. It was an advantage to winning deals getting face time beyond just the 'pitches' and since then Ive noticed that every single one of my calls, nobodys in their office and further the majority of buying teams are no longer even located in the same state. Even if I wanted to travel from time to time which I do, its impossible to meet more then 1 person. I rationalize this by my competitors not being able to do it either so I dont hate it but would be nice to swing into a prospects office!

CRAG112

Valued Contributor

Account Executive

Yes. This is another argument against Working from home. But again, these are arguments that are all about me and not the collective as a whole.

If it's difficult to meet all at once, why not meet all individually?

If it's difficult to build rapport over a video call...... ever done that with someone you just met, or a friend, or whomever? It's the same concept.

Sounds like WFH isn't as easy as people working in an office when it comes to your job. Not exactly a solid argument for being against it.

Pachacuti

Politicker

They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy

Video is not the same as meeting in person. Never has been, never will.

And yes, my reasons are entirely selfish.

SoccerandSales

Big Shot

Account Executive

I agree with all of this. There are certainly benefits to being in the office as well, but for me, the pros don't outweigh the cons

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Maybe I'm just at the stage in my life where my work friends may or may not be my actual friends, but I agree. I don't need to be physically in the office to get that sense of purpose, and I'm happy to be Teams chatting or having long calls with my colleagues once we have a spare moment. I'm personally supposed to be focused on customers, and our company has widely disbursed people with whom I collaborate, so we'd still be on Teams to connect anyway.

Maximas

Tycoon

Senior Sales Executive

poweredbycaffeine

WR Lieutenant

☕️

“Get some friends” dude, this is more cringe than Steve from LinkSquares backing off his own “in-person required” policies.

You didn’t present an argument to counter the efficiency or mental health benefits of occasional, optional office work. Make one that holds water and we can have a balloon fight.

CRAG112

Valued Contributor

-2

Account Executive

You did not present an argument of any kind......??

poweredbycaffeine

WR Lieutenant

☕️

Meetup.com is not a venue for productive work with your team in-person. Execution hinges on proper planning, but I’m not going into the office to use it as a clubhouse.

CRAG112

Valued Contributor

Account Executive

The idea behind that is you can work with people and meet up with them outside of work in various ways. Going to an office isn't necessary for that sort of thing.

Lets be real here. The idea of team in a work environment seems to be used very loosely by companies.

poweredbycaffeine

WR Lieutenant

☕️

Feels like you work for poorly execute companies.

pirate

Big Shot

🦜☠️ Account Executive

Yup maybe WFO is for managers to feel like they are doing something

CRAG112

Valued Contributor

Account Executive

Just another battle in the war against rights and freedoms for the collective.

WFO is all about power. Where you must live, what you must buy to work, when you must be there and when you can leave.

pirate

Big Shot

🦜☠️ Account Executive

Well I wouldn't dive as deep because WFH is relatively new concept that became popularized with the pandemic.
I think everything is about control then. Books, TV shows, foods, how your social security numbers tie into banks and governments. Personally too small person to do anything else about it but to play along

CRAG112

Valued Contributor

Account Executive

It kind of is. But capitalism is wholly dependent on being able to sell and affect positive business outcomes.
WFH is seen as a massive antithesis to these business outcomes. So it's only natural for people to come up with any and all excuses to fight against it.

And yet, COVID and everyone working at home was the most profitable time for the majority of these businesses that are fighting against it. So..... how can it be about sales?

CPTAmerica

Opinionated

President/CRO

Pretty jaded way of looking at a job. You can have it both ways. It's possible to have flexibility and still make lasting relationships at work.

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