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Market Struggles? Blame Sales!

Let's talk about Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince publicly humiliating his sales team.


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Matt starts by acknowledging that his product used to have real PMF: "we saw a lot of success with enterprise customers because our products were so good and solved real problems."


Turns out Matt is the first CEO in history to solve this math equation: Build good products + solve real problems = Revenue.



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Strangely, he now starts to insult his sales team for... hitting quota?: "This allowed many on our sales team to succeed largely by taking orders. When the fish are jumping in the boat, you don't need to be a very good fisherman."


I'm not an expert in fishing, but I have never seen fish jump INTO a boat. Pretty sure you still gotta work hard to catch them.



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Today, it turns out his products aren't as good or solving real problems: "The macroeconomic environment has gotten harder."


Well yes, many companies have realized their products are nice to haves or overpriced or were simply a ZIRP phenomena. That's why we are all doing cuts, refocusing our product teams to build better offerings for our customers!



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Uh oh: "We've identified 100 people on our SALES team who have consistently missed expectations. Tide goes in, naked fish, ramble ramble"



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So let me get this straight.


When you were hitting revenue targets and growing like crazy, your sales team were lazy fishermen who just got lucky your product was so good.


Now that you're missing targets, your sales team is responsible because they are bad at sales.


Way to say the quiet part out loud Matt ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ


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THIS is how you are thought of, my fellow sales savages.


When we bust our ass to make the company successful, it is dismissed as the work of the product team + fish jumping into boat.


When the market turns and the company's product and strategic errors get exposed, we are blamed and ridiculed.



This is why I built Bravado. This is why ๏ปฟ@GeneralCorp๏ปฟ and I work together.


To stand up for salespeople in a world where their own CEO treats them like ๐Ÿ’ฉ



-SM

๐Ÿ™ Mental Wellness
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SirAlex
Valued Contributor
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Account Executive
What a tool! Sahil linked my post from here a few months back onto that LinkedIn thread about when I interviewed with them. The VP told me he was looking for hunters so I asked him what % of team hit quota last quarter/year. He couldnโ€™t give me a straight answer. Dodged a bullet!
Space_Ghost20
Valued Contributor
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Account Executive
I interviewed with them back in 2020. They booked the interview for 5 pm eastern, didn't show, and when I emailed to make sure the time was right they insisted they booked it for 5 pm central (not true). I told them I'd be happy to meet at 6 pm my time, it wasn't any trouble at all. When I hopped into the meeting the hiring manager berated me for getting the time wrong.

Glad I didn't get hired there.
punishedlad
Tycoon
5
Business Development Team Lead
Thanks for the reminder. I'm sure they're going to get even closer to their targets when they let 100+ sales people go... that's how this works right?
Sunbunny31
Politicker
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Sr Sales Executive ๐Ÿฐ
Odds are they overhired in the first place, thinking they were going to blow the marketplace up.
CuriousFox
WR Officer
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๐ŸฆŠ
BINGO
Kosta_Konfucius
Politicker
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Sales Rep
Imagine working your ass off all FY to be a 80% quota, being proud how hard you worked with little to no inbounds, only for the CEO to say this
Gasty
Notable Contributor
2
War Room Community Manager
team upgrades
JFC
Sunbunny31
Politicker
3
Sr Sales Executive ๐Ÿฐ
What a PRINCE of a guy.
antiASKHOLE
Tycoon
3
Bravado's Resident Asshole
That just sounds like a Tuna crap coming from that CEO. Talk about flopping when it comes to his crew. I wondering what kind of angle he was going for and if he really thought it would hook the right attention.
CPTAmerica
Opinionated
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President/CRO
what's churn like?
GOLFaaS
Politicker
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Sales Leader
The churn is like that teams culture. Shit.
Gasty
Notable Contributor
0
War Room Community Manager
@sahil: do you have an idea?
CadenceCombat
Tycoon
2
Account Executive
I get no respect, I tells ya.
HVACexpert
Politicker
2
sales engineer
Letโ€™s be real, a lot of these guys can create a company or product, but are terrible at managing people, and this shows it.
Daedalos
Tycoon
2
AE / BDRM
Being in Sales is being Lebron James. Loved when companies hitting numbers - burning jerseys (and careers) on first mishap.

We get all this + heat from prospects + heat from leadership + heat internally for being Sales elitists or whatever.

Of course weโ€™re arrogant and canโ€™t take BS easily. Weโ€™re putting food on everybodyโ€™s table.

And still going. Despite the rejection and the call-outs and everything.

Iโ€™ll leave the nagging to CS and Marketing (and donโ€™t get me started on HR).

Iโ€™ll just go ahead and bring them some more food on the table. No factor.
GOLFaaS
Politicker
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Sales Leader
Jordan over Lebron. That is all.
Daedalos
Tycoon
1
AE / BDRM
Indeed
Pachacuti
Politicker
1
They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy
Great insight.
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