Give me an advice


I work as a senior sales rep for a payment solution company in the UK
The company has about 100k customers and offices in almost every European country. It’s sort of a complex fintech solution but our targets are entirely based on selling card machines, that cost between £29-£250
this makes the sales process super transactional and basic, with large targets between 60-120 units each month 

I’ve been doing this for almost 4 years now, and have managed to also onboard bigger clients incl a franchise. In2020 I was promoted to a sales manager but one year later demoted

I asked for this promotion as back then I took on all management duties as the manager we had at the time got fired. 
After several months of nothing happening I had to speak up and pushed to be made a sales manager.
The company got HR to interview me for the position ( totally unnecessary as I was already doing everything a manager does there )

When I was a sales manager, the UK division was literally just me and another sales rep. And we have at least 8k clients in the UK processing millions by using the product. This was during covid and the seniors who are based in Bulgaria, had unrealistic expectations so they wanted to see much larger number of sales despite the organisational chaos I was in.. they kept on comparing us with other countries that had much bigger teams of 10+ people. 

While I was being praised from seniors on keeping the UK afloat, there was never a clear plan for my growth neither did they ever work with me on projects to make the UK department grow.

In 2021 they hired a country manager, who was doing a rubbish job.
He worked for about a year and then got fired too. However seniors told him that they want to demote me from a Sales manager to a sales rep, as there were not enough sales reps for it to make sense plus they wanted more people selling all the time.

I didn’t sign the role change letter at the time cause short after that country manager was let go of. Another junior temp sales rep did quit on the same day.

On that day,I knew that the sales rep will quit. So I had prepared a fake job offer, I showed it to a senior saying that I’m thinking of accepting it as I need the money and he offered to meet me in the middle
I just wanted more money and the timing felt right, so i accepted it and stayed.

Right after firing the old country manager, they introduced us to the current one who is super proactive, very much a micro manager, everything is urgent and he will chase for sales at least three times a day.
 if your current number is low he would plant a lot of short term urgency/ fear in you, ask you for multiple reports and plans you have on making it up. Sending him many reports and pipeline updates doesn’t help as it takes a lot of time from sales..
If you do really well, he’ll say well done but in a couple of hours he will be nagging, messaging and making you deliver more and more. This whole thing does feel quite toxic and I can see how stressed everyone looks 90% of the time

A month after he was hired, he brought me the revised contract with my new salary but with the demoted job title, a sales rep. He said that I have been pretty much doing sales and they did not need a manager at this point. I asked to at least have my title as senior sales rep as I have been working for so long. They agreed 

A couple of months later they hired a regional manager who was only working on partnerships but suddenly two months ago I was told that he will be my direct manager.
Me and him get along quite well, but I did feel super disappointed and discouraged in my skills as he started way after me, yet the seniors from head office were keeping him way more involved than me. 

Now I have been one of the top performers for several months, everyone knows that I’m the most well seasoned one there with most product and company knowledge.
With my sales over the last 3 months I’ve even been earning more than my manager. (I know how much everyone makes due to an accounting error)
In May this year I asked for another raise due to the inflation in the Uk, which they agreed so that was nice

However I do not grow there, I work in some sort of a toxic environment. There are 0 perks we only work in the office and I haven’t been feeling good in this job for several years now.

Biggest problem is, I can’t get another job offer.. I have had probably over 100 interviews over the last 2 years and I haven’t received a single job offer. I don't think it's the job market as this has been ongoing for a while and people around me land jobs..
Im seeing a therapist because of it as I’m strongly confident that Im internally blocking it. My Cv is excellent, I get asked to interview 98% of the time. The first calls with recruiters also easily go past to next stage

Some feedback Ive had from these interviews in the past are the mismatch in the transactional sales type and the average size of my deals which is about £100-150k annual transactional volume per deal. 
my targets though are between 60-100 Deals each month. I’m really good at what I do but I don’t know what’s happening?

I even thought of quitting without a job offer, as this type of situation may help me manifest a new opportunity. I feel that the persona I created in this current job environment doesn’t believe in himself due to all the things I experienced there.
Even spoke with my therapist about it, still not sure if it’s a good idea.. I’m single and I’m 31 

Thanks so much if you read all of that 
What advice would you give me? 
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braintank
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Hard truth time.

Reading this, you're long winded, petty, blame others, and occasionally act unethically.

I'd imagine people are either turned off by your personality and/or your transactional background.

The first you can work on with your therapist. The second you'll need to address in how you're selling yourself to interviewers.
DataCorrupter
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I don't fully agree with this, but have to agree with one big thing: It seems clear from the outside that you're not well liked at that company.

All the stuff that's happened with promotion/demotion, having multiple leaders installed over you, etc, just seems like the central leadership doesn't think you have what it takes to be a leader on your own. That stuff just doesn't happen to people when others have a lot of confidence in them. You can certainly argue whether it is right or wrong of the central leadership to think so and to put managers over you, but at the end of the day that doesn't matter. You're in the situation regardless.

Another point I agree on, is that you gotta work with your therapist on this. There may be some harsh realities you're refusing to deal with about how other perceive you. It's important to be well liked with customers, but it's just as important to be well liked within the company. It's just a part of the job.
antiASKHOLE
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I didn't even read 30% of this post and still got what you got.
HVACexpert
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You read any of it? I saw a book and said ‘nah straight to the comments’
antiASKHOLE
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ok, you caught me... .3% and that was the title
jefe
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Unfortunately I'm inclined to agree with most of this.
@user4323 you need to sort yourself out. And I say that not to be a dick, but you definitely need to get your head in the right place and figure out what's wrong with how you're interviewing.
CuriousFox
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Beans
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Facts.
user4323
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Sales manager
This is harsh as I try to be self-reflective and transparent. This post is partially me venting out and wanting to portray the situation in detail so I get the best possible advice. I’ve been actively working on detaching from my ego wanting recognition and my work ethic is definitely not long winded or petty. I’m curious, listen a lot and get along with people quite easy. I’ve seen my reports being copy/pasted and used by seniors and also used as a template for everyone else
Thing is that I do want to grow career wise and at this stage no matter how many deals and key clients I bring, it’s not happening
Just wish I had one real job offer as despite all successes I still feel like I’m doing something wrong, just don’t know what…
Sunbunny31
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So you get to the interview stage, but get told that there's a disconnect at that point? I guess where I'm getting stuck myself is that you're getting to interview with the stats on your CV, but you're not progressing in interviews. So something is happening there. Have you gotten any other feedback?
And to just respond to braintank's point, there's some reason your leadership isn't putting you forward for management roles proactively. Can you personally pinpoint why that is?
GDO
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I worked in the same industry as you for my first job. I thought I was a great salesperson as well. Until I got a second job with sales cycles lasting a few months. Holy fuck was that a bitter pill to swallow. Going from basically signed contracts every week/day to months of nothing.

If you jump be prepared for this.
jefe
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I started off in merchant services as well. It's a grind. And you're definitely right, though I adapted quite well MANY I used to work with didn't.
Kosta_Konfucius
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I know you are used to more of a transactional selling role, but are you only going after long sales cycle roles, like more than a month?
Maybe do a search for sales roles that are transactional but longer than yours. There are plenty in the 2-3 weeks that can be a better fit than the strategic ones.

Also when you are interviewing the volume of deals might be more of a negative than positive since it doesn't align with theirs, so I would focus more on quota % and discuss total dollar amount
user4323
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Thanks so much! I’ve tried different metrics when talking about my deal size and number of won deals
I use % of achieved targets
Regarding $ amount, it’s quite difficult to determine the total revenue the company is making as they do not tell us what they’re making.
Is Total $ amount of transactional volume from all my deals each month relevant?
Sorry for sounding unsure, I’ve been asked for different metrics every time I interview for a role.
Wish there was one standard metric I could use across all sales roles
user4323
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Sales manager
@Sunbunny31

My Feedback from interviews has been different mostly vague and generic.
I’ve gotten to a final stage interview on about 3 occasions, the last rejection was because of my deal size, another one was that I’m not selling to enterprise clients, quite often I wouldn’t get any feedback, just a generic, “we had candidates more aligned to the role with more relevant experience” or more YOE
This all puzzles me as my CV has all this info yet they read it, still want to talk to me but then use those same reasons to reject me

Regarding me not being put for promotion

The seniors from head office only visit us 3-4 times a year. The company tends to hire externally instead of promoting people from within.
several colleagues left because of that plus others commented the same on glass door.
After my demotion, I stopped trying to push as it just goes on and on. Several months ago the country manager promised that they will be making me a tele sales team leader but then, they decided to put my colleague for it, as he has been doing that in his previous job..
Sunbunny31
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Sometimes you’re given unhelpful feedback, simply because they really don’t have anything more meaningful to give. Possibly the best thing you can do keep qualifying during the interview - ask them about the deal sizes they see, and align your experience as best you can to try and proactively address the objection. Ask about any concerns they may have about your experience and be prepared to address them. Your goal, as it would be for a deal, is to identify any possible areas of concern and discuss them. You most likely will not always succeed, but tackling these up front should get you farther along in the process.
user4323
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Sales manager
thanks so much, the only choice is to keep on trying and hopefully improve faster
FranchiseSalesQB
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Sorry my attention span didn't last long enough to read the whole thing.
AnchorPoint
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Trade your therapist for a business coach. 100 interviews with no offer???
user4323
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Sales manager
I’ve checked, but they charge extortionate high fees, £200-£500 an hour… Can you recommend someone?
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