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SADNESSLieutenant

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Lets be real. Top talent is staying remote. Change my mind - Sadness Lieutenant

saw Sahils post earlier and the traditional resistance to the idea.

do we really think top talent wants to go back into the office?

thats bullshit right? 




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funcoupons
WR Officer
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I don’t believe that all top talent wants to work remotely. Some people don’t have a good living situation for a home office setup (single parent of young kids, roommates, small living space etc.) Some people just prefer keeping work and home life completely separate. 

I think employers need to be flexible, especially with tenured employees who have proven they can be successful remotely. But I don’t blame a company for not wanting a fresh out of college SDR hire to work remotely yet. It’s not black and white. 
emooney
Opinionated
7
RSM
Im thinking back on the beginning of my career and don’t think I’d be successful at all today if I was WFH for those first few years before moving into field sales. Feel like I wouldnt have learned nearly a well/quickly. It’s probably tough for new SDRs coming in as remote to grow as fast. But having been remote for years before pandemic I couldn’t imagine being forced back now, either
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
Yeah thats definetly true, I was in office for one month only before WFH and it was definetly a struggle to get going. I had to be very self-directed/motivated/and going above and beyond to do well.
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
Very good and agreeable points
theGrayline
Good Citizen
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Global Account Manager
The post was about top talent, not just starting/entry level talent
CuriousFox
WR Officer
12
🦊
This top talent absolutely refuses. 🤷‍♀️
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
SAME 🐬💯📌
bandabanda
Tycoon
12
Senior AE Mid Market
Flexibility should be the goal. If your top people want to be fully remote? Awesome. If they want hybrid or fully in office? Give it to them.

I thought I wanted fully remote but I’m loving hybrid, especially since I’m at a startup.

You keep top talent by trusting your people and giving them the space to do their best work…If they’ve proven they can be trusted.

SDR/BDR - going to be difficult to show you can be trusted if it’s your first role. You either need to absolutely crush the interview or be talking with a company that’s already hired brand new sales people remotely.
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
1
Officer of ♥️
Exactly. I think it puts the importance of remote onboarding super high. especially for brand new peeps. they have to work that much harder to make sure new talent isnt slipping thru the proverbial cracks. that being said if they are already savages, no reason to force them out of their shell. There is a balance here.
HarryCaray
Notable Contributor
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HMFIC
I think there's plenty of people who want to return to the office and have been craving the interpersonal relationships they've lost over the past 2 years.  We're seeing so many of these "make me go to the office and I'll quit" posts because, like politics and most other things these days, those on the far extremes of this argument are screaming the loudest about it.  

"NO ONE WANTS TO GO BACK TO THE OFFICE!!!!"  You sure you don't just mean YOU don't want to go back?
SADNESSLieutenant
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Officer of ♥️
ah yes, the proverbial screams of the self-indulgent out spoken baby children adults claiming they speak for the majority. I know i personally dont want to go back because a. love having my wife around, b. love eating her food, c. shes immuno compromised so no risking covid, d. I do my best work left alone
FattySnacks
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Senior Account Executive
I’m sure there is a subsection of top talent that loves the office. However, I will not be one of those peeps 😎
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
0
Officer of ♥️
this man has my heart
1nbatopshotfan
Politicker
6
Sales
Flexibility matters and if your company isn’t letting people make decisions for themselves they are micro managing too much already 
CuriousFox
WR Officer
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THANK YOU 👏👏👏
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
0
Officer of ♥️
Say it louder for the ppl in the back sir
TreTime
Catalyst
4
Account Executive
Flexibility is the answer. Dependent on their current life situation one or the other will better accommodate everyone. At this point no one should care for internal meetings if you're on Zoom or in the office. All that depends for us savages is how you perform.
bandabanda
Tycoon
1
Senior AE Mid Market
Just now saw your post. I said almost the exact thing, didn’t mean to steal yours.
TreTime
Catalyst
1
Account Executive
Cheers!
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
0
Officer of ♥️
exactly. performance determines flexibility. ie: if you suck you should come into the office lol
LightingLeader
Politicker
4
Specification Sales
I fuckin hate the office. Too much chit chat. Too many eyes and ears
Corpslovechild
Politicker
2
Inbound Sales Manager
And you have to wear pants.....
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
ew pants
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
too much micromanaging and microjudging
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
nothing like the casual walk by the ceo does every 15
LightingLeader
Politicker
1
Specification Sales
It’s the worstttt
nomdeguerre
Executive
4
Account executive
To me it is not about one answer… wfh or office. Why are bosses trying to come up with one answer for everyone? They should focus on what brings the best results for every team member. If you are forcing someone to come back to the office who don’t want to and are performing well wfh, then I’m sorry but you’re a dumbass. Same goes for forcing someone to wfh if they want to come into the office - stupid. I believe the true problem is that the bosses are not focused on what is best for their employees, they are focused on what they want.
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
YES, one answer is not the way. Employee focused workplaces please
TennisandSales
Politicker
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Head Of Sales
blanket statements never seem to really work......I agree with what @funcoupons says. you cant just assume everyone has a solid place to work from where they live. 

I think its about flexibility and support. 

if you tell your top talent what they HAVE to do instead of trying to support them to be their best (this really goes for every employee) then you are doing them a disservice. 

Employers need to learn how to support hybrid work models and make sure that people that are in the office are not treated different than remote. 
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
Agreed
peachykeen
Politicker
3
sae e-commerce
I love flexibility. If I find a cozy cafe or spot to work that has nice views to go occasionally that’s awesome. Sometimes you just want to stay home. Agreed, some people want to keep work/home separate and I totally get that. Sales can get crazy and lonely and frustrating so having some face to face time with colleagues can help; but only if they’re cool. I enjoy a good team atmosphere that can be maintained even in remote conditions. So it speaks volumes when a company has cultivated a great culture.
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
10,000 %, depending on the person and their environment!
Sunbunny31
Politicker
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Sr Sales Executive 🐰
Went fully remote in 2012 and have not looked back.  However, it was a transition that involved training my family.  Just because I'm home doesn't mean all the housework and chores will get done while you're gone.  The Martha Stewart Fairy is not resident here, and cleaning up all day is not part of my job description.

I did enjoy being within commute (though an ugly commute) distance of the office - made it easy to head in for meetings, meet customers, raid the office supply cabinets...

Now I work for a company based on the other side of the country, have not met anybody with whom I work in person, and it's fine.   I do miss not having to deal with ordering my own office supplies, however.
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
0
Officer of ♥️
Very good points
emergencyprybar
Politicker
2
Senior Account Executive
No interest in returning to any office. Current company is requiring 2 days a week come summer. I’m out. If it wasn’t a requirement I might be inclined to stay around. Been in the sales game for 8 years, so I know what works for me and what I want.

I can see how you would want new reps to come to work together and learn. I see the value in making it required for certain leadership, training and new reps. But those with success and tenure, we should have earned a right to choose.
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
0
Officer of ♥️
YUP
NotCreativeEnough
Big Shot
2
Professional Day Ruiner
if "return to office" means giving employees the choice to return to office if they choose to, great! If it means forcing people who have been working successfully and productively from home for 2+ years to now come in, then its dumb for companies to force employees to do that. The past 2 years should have been an excellent case study into how well people are able to work remotely. 

My company is talking about doing a hybrid model. Pick one to two days a week to come in to the office for a one on one with your manager, meet with teammates if you need to, etc. They have said they have no plans of ever returning to fully in office though. Just have an office there for people who prefer that environment. 
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
absolutely agree
TheMamba
Contributor
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Enterprise Account Executive
Top Talent may have differing opinions based on lifestyle. You can have an individual who is so work-focused and oriented, that they may chase the sale, which might be better in some industries in the office vs. remote. The environment may be the limiting factor in that scenario. Alternatively, the individual may be good and at their role, and knowing their worth, are more inclined to leverage the work/life balance that is better suited to their personal needs. So, its a mixed bag. But taking a look at how you phrased your statement, it reads as if you are purely confident that top talent will always choose remote over in office? I just think there are too many personal variables involved to make that statement true. 
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
True. But I think top talent wants the choice to be in their hands and not the higherups
Justatitle
Big Shot
1
Account Executive
I think we just want the option to be honest. (Also not referring to my self as top talent) stating having the option is certainly a big factor in the DM process 
bandabanda
Tycoon
2
Senior AE Mid Market
Hey, you ARE top talent 💪
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
the types of friends everyone needs
nomdeguerre
Executive
1
Account executive
https://reddit.com/r/technology/comments/t78nkb/twitter_employees_can_work_from_home_forever_or/
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
YEET
FinanceEngineer
Politicker
1
Sr Director, sales and partnerships
Depends. For national and international sales where you are always traveling or going out of town every other week, the office makes little to no sense. For inside sales people and SDRs/BDRs, it makes a lot of sense to be in a pit to be able to work with others and higher ups.
When you go with other roles, it depends how collaborative you need to be. I feel bad for the junior people who are missing out on watching the experienced members of the team work and networking/building relationships.
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
0
Officer of ♥️
yeah and if remote they should be 10,000% more proactive about reaching out to the right people
nemix
Politicker
1
SDR
I don't like offices because it's easier to micromanage and I'm not a fan of the noise. Although from occasion I'd like the option to go in if I wanted to
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
0
Officer of ♥️
same
meetalk
Good Citizen
1
Account Executive
Some people need the social aspects of an office. Those people aren’t top sales talent.
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
lmao
justatopproducer
Politicker
1
VP OF SALES -US
Top talent is being lost for about 14 other reasons apart from where they start and end their day. WFH is a part of the equation but I wouldn't say the leader. 


Poor leadership, job isn't fulfilling, lack of innovation, micro-management, SDE, no longer offering free Twinkies in the break room and downgrading coffee to some off-brand, etc. 


SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
definetly the free twinkies
Corpslovechild
Politicker
1
Inbound Sales Manager
Facts, I am not putting pants on, driving an hour each way to the office when I could just do my job from home. 
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
yeah fuck pants
IAMAM
Catalyst
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SADNESS
Top talent wants to make the decision for themselves.
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
100%
Charito
Fire Starter
1
Senior Account Exec
I think it's important to qualify "hybrid". What I've seen is an office meant for 75-100 people has 7-10 people on any particular day. It's super quiet and very little energy. I've asked myself why am I driving all the way to an office for this?! 
SADNESSLieutenant
Politicker
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Officer of ♥️
right. thats the problem w making it optional too. noones actually there when u want them to be. I experienced that too, it was me, the C-levels and one SDR. awkward asf
SADNESSLieutenant
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Officer of ♥️
I'm just there smashing dials like 'hI yOuRe ProbaBlY gOiNg tO HaTe mE buT thIs iS a cOld cAll -'
NoSuperhero
Politicker
0
BDR LEAD
yeah, I don't think most of us want to do a full back-to-office model. Being given the option to work remotely is what I want really. I mean the office is in San Diego, CA, and I live in Medellin Colombia. So it kinda depends on the situation?
SADNESSLieutenant
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Officer of ♥️
oh wow, yeah. but even if i lived in SD i'd still want to be remote

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