Pay structure at my company - your thoughts

Currently my company is about 240 employees. We are selling Enterprise SaaS.


i wanted to get everyone’s opinion on some elements of our pay structure that is not making some sales team members happy.


as an Account Executive, the pay and OTE structure is varied. We have an average deal size of $45K. Some AEs have a 50/50 split and some are 60/40. In the contract, we get about 65% from ACV, and a multi year as well.


but for one, the multi year only counts for the second year of contract signed. So if I close year 3-5, there is zero incentive. Second, in our contract, the Multi-year only counts if the new contract or upsell opportunity is 24 months or greater. I recently sold an upsell to an existing account which was $69k for the remaining two years. The contract length remaining was 23 months. So the second years value was not awarded to me.


lastly, we have a clause that states any deal that is $500K or greater is up to management discretion on how it is awarded.


now for the Customer Success Managers. They get paid based on quarterly bonus akin to the ARR they bring in as a percentage. For example, if they resign all of their clients during the quarter but don’t increase ARR, they get 90% of their bonus. To get 100% they need to increase ARR by 5%. And then in additional increments of 5%, they will get an additional percentage more in bonus. If they increase ARR by 10%, they get 105% bonus. But now, for futurists upsells, they may not increase as the same pace, as spend may not scale.


lastly, Business Development Reps (which we have for outbound sales, seperate from our SDRs) get bonus based on two criteria. 80% is based on Accepted Opps. From the AE, and 20% of their bonus is based on if that opp closes as an Enterprise Deal. Which is controlled by the AE and not the BDR.


my question is, which of these structures sound normal, and which are not standard practice in the sales world? We just hired a new CBO and I am trying to make a case for more competitive pay structures.

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oldcloser
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The $500k + at management discretion gets my resignation. Or, at very least two 25-month contracts dated a day apart for $250k even. That’s just criminal.
Phillip_J_Fry
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Director of Revenue
Yeah, this screams "We're not going to pay you if you blow your quota out of the water"
Sunbunny31
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It's unfortunate that almost every company has some version of the "big deal clause".
CuriousFox
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You are keeping it polite 😏
GDO
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thats indeed just disgusting
jefe
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Yup. It's not surprising but also not smart.
I think it's all very convoluted but the other elements don't really seem that uncommon.
Pachacuti
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They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy
Instead of more competitive I would advocate for simpler. That is VERY complicated.

That said, you get 65% of the first 2 years contract value? Not sure why you’re complaining if that’s the case. You didn’t state what your quota is, so I can’t figure out the 50/50 part. But if your average deal is $45k/yr, you get like $56k for every multi year deal? You don’t need to sell many of those to be happy.
Sunbunny31
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Yeah - I get 12%, which is fairly standard. I do get 3% more for a multi year (3 year) deal.
I'm a bit confused by the % on this myself. This is actually literally structured for company failure, if I'm reading it correctly.
Kosta_Konfucius
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Sales Rep
So everywhere I worked, as an AE, we get paid a % of only the first year ARR. A big thing I look for is the ratio between OTE and the Annual Quota, seems like post here say the average ratio is 1:4-5.


However I have interviewed at startups that were a 1:2 ratio, but I almost took that as a red flag
SoccerandSales
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Account Executive
Big deal clause means I am negotiating every deal to that 450k range
Sunbunny31
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Sr Sales Executive 🐰
Companies incentivizing all the wrong behavior.
unclespacejam
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ur dad’s brother
So I’m just gonna discount the shit out of every ent deal?? Wtf even is this rule. I don’t understand people who come up with this shit.
Diablo
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Sr. AE
Is the multi year paid upfront ?
TheMamba
Contributor
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Enterprise Account Executive
yes, it is.
Justatitle
Big Shot
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Account Executive
pretty complex plan, would probably be better to get it dulled down to make life easier.
lajefa
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Enterprise Account Executive
deals over $500K payout is discretionary? Nope. Personally the next comp plan I see I will be getting expert advice. Hit up Dan Goodman on Linkedin to have him take a look at it. He has helped MANY figure out if they're getting screwed. If your gut tells you something is off, listen!
MontyMoose
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Chief Commercial Officer
Depends on the size of company. As others have said, big deal review is pretty standard in big companies. It’s there to protect them and sometimes even the broader team in certain situations.

During the good times I have examples of AEs walking into a deal team where a 7-figure deal was already in flight. Big companies often have many AEs as part of a deal team. New joiners would be added by the system to deals in their territory and a 7-figure deal might close on their 2nd day in the job. Possibly zero contribution. Big deal review allows them to evaluate, at their discretion, whether compensation is the right outcome.

Like all these things.. it doesn’t specify a finite list of conditions. I’ve known AEs fall foul of big deal review for letting the rest of the team do the work, especially in global accounts. As a team, would you be happy if freeloaders were getting paid the same as you for zero contribution?

And compensation in most companies is discretionary and can be unilaterally changed. It often doesn’t matter how good the plan looks on entry, they could change the rules overnight and there’s nothing you could do about it.
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