Potential New Way to Make Money in War Room - need your help!

Yesterday, I was chatting with a few VPs of Sales who asked if we could help them with something: Outsourced Role-Play Interviews.


Every single company forces candidates to do a Mock / Role Play step before receiving an offer. But the process is pretty repetitive, it takes a lot of time (for both the candidate + the internal team who judges / gives feedback) and is an expensive step for the employer.


Instead, what if we outsourced it to you all? So for example, let's say you're interviewing at Google and are at the Role Play / Mock step. Rather than doing it in-house, Google contracts one of you to be the interviewer. Here's how it works:


  • You: Get paid $500 for your time, get to put on your resume that you're a trained "Sales Expert". New side hustle!
  • Employer: Saves a lot of money / time. Just gets a summary of the results and the recording.
  • Candidate: Gets to keep a copy of the recording, can rewatch it to practice and learn.


There's also one other potential benefit: other companies who are hiring could ask for a copy of the recording, so they can see the candidate pitch "live". If they like what they see, they could fast-track their own process?


Anyway, I didn't know how to prioritize this idea so I need your help, War Room Savages.

HALP.


PS - If you're interested in being part of this idea, please vote in the poll.

PPS - If you're REALLY feeling helpful, share what your company's mock interview process looks like so we can use it for inspo.

PPPS - And if you're just a straight up G, tell me all the reasons why this won't work / why your company wouldn't use it.

Should we build this feature for the War Room?

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paddy
WR Officer
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Director of Business Development
Why would it be cheaper to outsource rather than do internally? I don't think this part of the interview process is as cumbersome as you're making it out to be.
curlyfries99
Opinionated
0
VP Engineering
Thank you for your input! According to what I've heard this can save about 35% of the whole interviewing process (imagine there's no need for scheduling additional calls, no canceled calls, and less ppl involved)
Oboy77
Arsonist
0
Workspace Consultant
So what you are saying is that this would be done ahead of time and once they have one video they can use it for multiple interviews?
Beasthouse
Opinionated
1
Corporate trainer
yes one per industry

paddy
WR Officer
3
Director of Business Development
I'm a little skeptical of that data. Not sure how this saves time really either. You still have to schedule/rely on some outsourced person, make sure they're reliable, and have them communicate feedback to you. Am I misunderstanding?
Kinonez
Celebrated Contributor
0
War Room Enthusiast
I agree on this! It’s better to invest in an existing employee! 
Ryase1113
Opinionated
5
Regional Director
As a hiring manager I've conducted probably close to 1,000 interviews over the course of my career.  I can tell you with full sincerity that I could almost care less about how well you recite your pitch of my product or service.  

What's meaningful to me is what can't be faked during a mock presentation.  How much effort you put into researching my company, myself and my competition will all come out during our discussion when I start throwing you questions and objections.  I also want to watch you think on your feet, and I know the types of questions my customers are going to ask better than an outsourced person.  

To me, these are CRUCIAL to making a good hire (on top of where the candidate is referred from).  I also always go with my gut...   I can't get a gut feel from watching a recording of someone else asking my candidate questions.  Hope that helps a little!
Avon
Politicker
4
Senior Account Executive
I personally think this would really turn me off as a candidate if before I even work there, they're already trying to push me off to someone else. Unless I truly loved the company Id have serious second thoughts about this. This is worse than the one way video interviews in my mind.
NotInterested
Catalyst
1
Business Development Manager
This is a good point. I didn't think about that, the idea of getting pushed off to someone else. They may have to implement some way to make it more involved with the said company rather than a 3rd party. Definitely something to think and brain storm about. 
UrAssIsSaaS
Arsonist
2
SaaS Eater
My team has eliminated the mock role play/pitch from our interview process because it doesnt seem to actually show how a candidate performs in a real life scenario. We instead focus on their known process, ability to think on their feet, gritiness, and ability to diagnose their own strengths and weaknesses. 

We have hired stronger AE's since changing the process. Like others have stated here, our best candidates often come via referral or internal promotion. These tend to be a bit more "known" and we dont have to spend as much time working through the interview process, and hopefully hire less frequently because we have less misses. 
AnchorPoint
Politicker
1
Business Coach
"When hiring, look for 3 things: Brains, Energy, and Integrity.  If they are missing the third, the first two will kill you."  Warren Buffett
CaneWolf
Politicker
1
Call me what you want, just sign the damn contract
Alright, so several points:

1) This is a very interesting idea. I'd definitely be willing to be the interviewer.

2) I just want to be clear that nobody is going to put "trained sales expert" on a resume. That is an excellent way to make hiring/ sales managers to fucking hate you.

3) I think you're going to run into a LOT of issues about providing candidates the recording. Especially given the litigious nature of hiring law, I think companies would see this as potential piece of evidence in discrimination suits.

4) You could also have multiple companies all work off the one recording.

5) All of the interviewers would need to look at their employment contracts to make sure they weren't violating them. I'd guess that all of this would need to take place during non-work work hours to avoid violations.
SaaSbod
Contributor
1
Sr Sales Account Exec
I think you're missing the purpose of the mock proposal. It's essentially a Kobayashi Maru. You were never meant to pass the exercise but rather see how you handle pressure, the room, present with short notice, and pivot on the spot. 
Chep
WR Officer
1
Bitcoin Adoption Specialist
Would love to do this. I genuinely feel like being pitched to often would greatly expand my knowledge when it comes to hiring, spotting talent, and knowing what does and doesn’t work in interviews.
Calico
Celebrated Contributor
1
Corporate Trainer
I agree with the comments saying that it might be best to keep the hiring process internal. However, what about offering ourselves for roleplays and training? If there's anything an SDR needs (especially a new one who's still afraid of cold calling), it's practice and repetition. 
NotInterested
Catalyst
0
Business Development Manager
This is the way I think they need to move. Maybe not for inital interviews, but they can always add that service. Where I work we do weekly role plays (die), so I think having a 3rd party do this for us would greatly benefit us as we would take it more seriously and learn more. 
Mr.Pickles
Arsonist
1
Sr. Customer Success Manager
This can be a huge Yay and Nay. In my experience, outsourcing comes handy when you don't have (a.) expertise, (b.) a well-defined process, or (c.) bandwidth. Why not do it internally? I believe you answered Paddy already. If you're hiring that means you're growing to some degree - which can lead to point c. - I see opportunity when it comes to creating value for the recruiting team itself, but not to leave the "problem" of hiring to a 3rd party (IMO).
TheTendieGuy
1
Account Executive
I like the idea but I want every person who is going to interview to be scrutinized just as much as the candidate and for the love of all that is holy have like to like. B2B SAAS interview B2B SAAS no random insurance sales conducting the mock interview.
el.guap0
Valued Contributor
0
Account Executive
This is an awesome idea! Would love to be apart of it. It would be as much a learning experience for the interviewer as the interviewee. Most mock demos/role plays place I’ve been a part of places emphasis on discovery and control of the conversation. A modifiable success criteria document could be part of the offering?
curlyfries99
Opinionated
0
VP Engineering
Tell me more about success criteria document. Some real example would be really helpful
desperado
Politicker
0
Head of Sales
I really like this idea. I’d be willing to use it & participate on both sides.
curlyfries99
Opinionated
0
VP Engineering
I mean… there are 3 sides actually. Which side are you mostly interested in?
Jbeans
Opinionated
0
Director of Sales
Interesting idea. I find hiring so tedious and can be a total crap shoot. Most of the best people we hire come from referrals and even then we’ve had some duds. Sales is a tricky recipe of agility drive and grit -all well “appearing” likeable and trustworthy lol. That’s hard to portray in the interview process so maybe this would help not only the candidate but the employers. I’d be game!
curlyfries99
Opinionated
0
VP Engineering
Tell me more! What is the list of measurable questions you will ask? It’s like cold calls skills 0-10, technical skills 0-10, etc. What is the list your questions?
Jbeans
Opinionated
0
Director of Sales
I prefer to be straight up and ask the level of comfort with being uncomfortable- ie how they answer do you like cold calling? Is very telling. My best answer was, no, but it’s a necessary evil mixed with social selling, networking and referrals. Also love asking what motivates people to get out of bed. If they say money, family, achievement or contributing to the team /company etc. I find these tell me a lot about the kinpersonperson they are
Jbeans
Opinionated
0
Director of Sales
Lol. Hit send too soon. Was going to say finding out what motivates reps is key to managing them. I hate typical interview questions. We also use a Sandler trainer to do assessments so we can analyze the results before making an offer .
Salespreuner
Big Shot
0
Regional Sales Director
That's a great idea. Hope the execution can be managed really well too
In terms of time zones, cultural fit, etc
Go on🤝
curlyfries99
Opinionated
0
VP Engineering
Tell me more about the fields you will be interested in
Salespreuner
Big Shot
0
Regional Sales Director
Sales strategy in Retail and SaaSGTM strategy in Retail
Beans
Big Shot
0
Enterprise Account Executive
Sign me up. 
curlyfries99
Opinionated
0
VP Engineering
What role are you mostly interested in?
Adored
Executive
0
Sales Director
Our mock interview process typically involves two of the following 3 pitch types:

- a demo of a software solution
- a roleplay discovery session for our platform
- a pitch presentation for our platform

It's a nice idea and I agree broadly with the other benefits cited below.

Playing Devil's Advocate, I'd worry about the consistency of assessment or how much I could trust the insight of an 'outsider' to my company. Best way I see around that is build in some kind of assessment framework for your experts to adhere to whilst their interviewing candidates. It's also a more concrete, tangible output for the prospective employer to latch onto.

Open to helping you guys build this out.
curlyfries99
Opinionated
0
VP Engineering
What is the list of questions you are interested in asking as a hiring manager?
Adored
Executive
0
Sales Director
Depends on the role i.e. SDR or AE. My focus is predominantly on the latter when hiring these days. Obviously you're looking for different things and checking various competencies, so I'd probably start by defining those by category i.e. motivation, coachability, solutions-focus, experience, cultural fit etc.

Off the top of my head, here are a couple mostly geared towards attitudinal assessment:

- what attracts you to this company? (I want sound reasons and proof of research)
- how would you manage the transition from selling a different SaaS solution to that of this company? Can also be rephrased if moving from a large company to a startup
- why are you leaving your current job?
- where do you see yourself in 3 and 5 years? How does this job help you get there?
- where would you hide an elephant? (creative thinking, problem solving
- what do you do in your free time? (cultural)
SmallySmalls
Opinionated
0
Caffeine Queen
This is a super cool idea if you guys can pull it off. I'd just say standardize the evaluation criteria + metrics + questions because otherwise mileage WILL vary even more than it already does with internal folks doing the hiring.

We use a version of Roberge's hiring framework and the results having been solid and consistent. Likeability is a small part but it's more about coachability, curiosity, etc and especially for more junior people who don't know how to run an interview like a sales process it nets out better in the end. 

Harder to turn on a skillset for an interview this way so you get a better translation to performance.
JC10X
Politicker
0
Senior Sales Manager
Lesss go! How do we get started?
No_ty
Politicker
0
Sales Dir.
idk rick
Corpslovechild
Politicker
0
Inbound Sales Manager
Can you vote for more then one thing? 
curlyfries99
Opinionated
0
VP Engineering
You cannot, but please feel free to describe in your reply. Your opinion is extremely valuable 
alecabral
Arsonist
0
Director - Digital Sales Transformation
I love it, I actually did something like this in my last team. We outsourced interviews and roleplays and only interviewed final candidates. I would love to hear more about how it can be implemented and I'm always happy to play the role of customer there. Count me in!
NotInterested
Catalyst
0
Business Development Manager
For companies who do an extensive amount of role play before a job offer I think this would be a great idea. Maybe there can be different blocks of pricing depending on sales levels, products, etc. For smaller companies I really don't see the need. Right now, I work for a local company and I didn't have to do any role play to get my job. However, we do weekly role plays via zoom with our coworkers, which I hate, with a passion as they are my coworkers. I think this would be a huge benefit if it were a random stranger/service. We would take it more seriously, and we would probably learn more. I think this is genius, and I would love to add this to my side hustle. 
CuriousFox
WR Officer
0
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