Dodging a bullet or being stupid?

Context: was offered a job at a unicorn startup, 30% increase on basic pay. leaning towards declining the offer. have a job currently but want to leave 

When i researched the role initially, I'd found the linkedin profile of the director of the team I'll be joining and found his profile to be someone who is really nice (does lots of volunteering, family man)

In the interview process, i got to know that he'd resigned and was serving notice after only 1 year at the company. His replacement was one of my interviewers, and I'd found him to be quite a harsh type of person (I'm interviewing for a sales role, and he seemed fairly unforgiving about anyone not hitting targets). Also, in the round with the founder, I was asked what my parents and siblings did for a living within the first couple of mins of the interview.

When i got the offer, I then reached out to the outgoing director to ask if he'd be willing to share why he was leaving and how it's like working at the company, and the things he shared really sobered me:

- company did not respect his efforts to instill boundaries on work life balance (particularly work calls on weekday nights and weekends). he was told to adapt to how the company works
- apart from him, someone else also got called out for being too focused on work life balance
- he tried to organize some employee volunteering prog (on a sat), but met with push back by the founder, who was confident the rest of the employees would rather do more work instead of volunteering on a saturday
- founder had lied to me about attrition rate (he'd said no attrition in the sales team, but according to the outgoing director, there are 2 to 3 that are serving notice)

had a further chat with the hiring manager, and was told that the bulk of the team works late (with the exception of 1 top performer), but it is because they are so passionate about the work - they are gunning for IPO in a few years, therefore everyone is really driven and passionate. Was also told there would be no requirement for me to work weekends or take weeknight calls - no one will scrutinize, as long as targets are met. If I finish early, I can go off early too.

What do you all think? If i decline this offer, will I be dodging a bullet or am I being stupid for foregoing a sales job in a unicorn that is going to offer me really gowhatod money (esp if i hit the targets)?
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Diablo
Politicker
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Sr. AE
I will go by my instincts here based on the conversation I had, I never take anything the hiring manager says on the face value.

I like to balance my work/personal life and if I deliver results, I am no way going to slog extra hours even if I am very much passionate about the role.
startupminion
Executive
0
BDM
That’s what I thought too. I don’t think anyone likes to slog extra hours, even if they r passionate abt the role, so I thought it wld be because the targets are so tough that people have no choice but to slog those hours in order to meet targets..
NotCreativeEnough
Big Shot
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Professional Day Ruiner
some people genuinely love working crazy hours. I have a friend in politics who works 60-80 weeks. We'll be at a bar at 1am on a Saturday and he's getting/taking work calls. He loves every minute of it as weird as it may seem.
NotCreativeEnough
Big Shot
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Professional Day Ruiner
a hiring manager's main goal is to sell you on the company/position so that you want the job. They're going to say what you want to hear so that if they like you and make an offer you're going to want the job. That's where you gotta have your bullshit detector on and evaluate what you think is true and what's stretching the truth or outright lying.
Kosta_Konfucius
Politicker
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Sales Rep
Where do you rank work/life balance? Seems like that place works you pretty hard compared to most

Plus with the conversation with the Manger seems like there lots of red flags.

But if you goal is 100% money and getting a company to IPO you can try it out, and you can always interview again if it doesn’t work out
Sunbunny31
Politicker
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Sr Sales Executive 🐰
It sounds like you're already leaning toward not taking the deal - you have identified a lot of potential pitfalls and red flags.

The questions I'd be asking myself:

Is the environment something you have the stomach for, considering that the money may not be there?
Are you able to forego life/work balance for a while, considering that's come up over and over - especially considering that it's important to you?

The pay bump is compelling, but I'm thinking there are just too many concerns, to be honest. I would be looking for another position and not regretting leaving this hothouse behind.
startupminion
Executive
1
BDM
Yea the regret part is what i’m struggling with. A big factor here is that my experience is in B2B sales but not in tech, whereas this role is in HR tech, so it’ll at least get me a foot in the industry. I think i’m very fear driven right now, fear of not being able to land a similar role in terms of pay/tech if i decline this role.
Sunbunny31
Politicker
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Sr Sales Executive 🐰
That is a tough position to be in. However, if you can - put some faith in yourself that you absolutely will get good offers in the future. This will not be the last one.
startupminion
Executive
1
BDM
Thank u for the kind words 🥺
RckChlkG33k
Big Shot
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AE (Account Executive)
You'll have to define for yourself what you value in your work. For me-This has "GET OUT" written all over in neon ink.

Others may have a similar mindset as the CEO.

I'll tell you this much-It doesn't sound like a place I'd like to work.
Pachacuti
Politicker
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They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy
Do you share the same values and concerns as the outgoing director? If so, I would hesitate before taking the offer. If not, what’s it matter?
startupminion
Executive
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BDM
Yea i do share the same values and concerns - wld much rather have my weekends and week nights to myself..
TennisandSales
Politicker
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Head Of Sales
you will be dodging a HUUUUUUGE bullet.

the money may be good but if the director quit for those reasons I would RUN.

that type of work environment is very common but it is not the only type of environment. take your talents to another org that doesnt suck.
jefe
Arsonist
1
🍁
Go with your gut here..
SoccerandSales
Big Shot
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Account Executive
Personally, work/life is huge for me because of all that I do outside of work. For others, the potential to strike it big would outweigh those problems.

That being said, what the former director said is super concerning
CuriousFox
WR Officer
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🦊
Listen to your gut hun. It ain't steering ya wrong. ❤🦊
antiASKHOLE
Tycoon
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Bravado's Resident Asshole
If it’s money, then go for it. Sounds like the new director might be a red flag for me when it comes to culture and fit.
NotCreativeEnough
Big Shot
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Professional Day Ruiner
depends on how much you care about work/life balance. Some people that hustle 24/7 mentality and will fit in great in that environment. Others will hate it and burn out quick.

Personally, I love freedom and flexibility in a job so I wouldn't take it. But if you love to work and don't mind long days and the occasional weekend then go for it!
JDialz
Politicker
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Chief Operating Officer
First of all, the idea of "work life balance" is bullshit. The idea of achieving balance between your personal life and professional life is unattainable, and if you value this idea of balance over everything else you will have neither work or a life.

That being said, this company sounds insane.

I work my ass off so I can go on month long vacations with my family wherever the fuck I want to in the world, have impossible-to-get tickets to the Derby every single year, season tickets to my favorite NFL team which is in a whole other time zone, and generally other things that I enjoy doing that also gets me in close proximity to people I want to work with and do business with. I used to work 84hr+ weeks, but I don't any more. Soon I will be able to not work at all, far sooner than a "normal" retirement age, and my lifestyle won't take even the smallest hit, my family will still have everything we need, and the charities and organizations I support will still be able to count on the contributions they have always received.

That being said, most people don't give a shit about any of that stuff... and that is absolutely fine and okay. You should never be a slave to anything other than your own discipline and goals.

Circling back to the red flags you raised - if a founder or anyone else lied to you during an interview you should not work there. If the founder is expecting everyone else to work their dick into the ground to benefit him in the end you should not work there.
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