Toxic company found to have wrongfully terminated employee for not being "fun" enough.

Happy Monday Savages - curious to get your thoughts on this topic as the end-of-the-year parties are coming, more so because mine is 15 days away...


To share full context, a French supreme court of appeal has ruled that companies can’t fire their workers for failing to be sufficiently "fun". The ruling comes after a man, was fired from a consultancy firm in 2015 for refusing to participate in seminars, after-work drinks, and team-building activities.


Pretty much this guy joined the firm in 2011, was promoted in 2014, and then was fired a year later for "professional incompetence" – specifically, his refusal to adhere to the company’s "fun" values.


According to the Court of Cessation, the company’s "fun" values included regular obligatory social events that culminated in "excessive alcoholism encouraged by colleagues who made very large quantities of alcohol available," as well as "practices pushed by colleagues involving promiscuity, bullying, and incitement to various excesses".


The Court of Cassation ruled that the man was entitled to "freedom of expression" and that refusing to participate in social activities was a "fundamental freedom" under labor and human rights laws, and not grounds for his dismissal.


Have you ever been pushed to join any kind of events or "happy hours"?


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SaaSam
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When I was 16 I was written up at work for not smiling. I had found out that morning that my grandmother had aggressive brain cancer and likely wouldn't live to the end of the month.

I win though. That cow still works at a grocery store making teenage kids miserable and I'm knocking down a half a mil a year.
DungeonsNDemos
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I would lose my shit if this happened to me.
SaaSam
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Oh I told her to go fuck herself, in front of customers. Big boss was ready to bring the hammer down until a buddy of mine filled him in on the whole situation.
Mr.Pickles
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100% - put her on the hot seat
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
Bruh :/
CuriousFox
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My team is throwing an "optional" holiday party that I am not going to. Am I getting shit about it? Yes. Fired for not attending? No.
Sunbunny31
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The story fills it out. It was a terrible work environment that went beyond attendance at parties and events. Think Uber's scandal.
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
plot twist - one of the biggest consultancy agencies in EU
Fenderbaum
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Sounds like some in my wife's family... they get absolutely smashed every weekend, and give us shit for not participating.
DungeonsNDemos
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Damn, are they all in sales?
Fenderbaum
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No, it was just a comparison.
Kosta_Konfucius
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Sales Rep
Wow, I am shocked a company actually said they fired them for not being "fun" or getting drinks after work.

Its just crazy how many company's "culture" is drinking and nothing else
Sunbunny31
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Sr Sales Executive 🐰
French company - not sure how much this relates outside France or the EU.
Kosta_Konfucius
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All it takes is someone to read this case and start a similar lawsuit in the US.
Sunbunny31
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Sr Sales Executive 🐰
Got to think it's come up, tbh.

Edit: OK, after reading the story, the headline should read "toxic company found to have wrongfully terminated employee". Basically similar things that have come up with companies having scandals here (think Uber, for example).
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
will update then xD
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
100% Real - I hate with all my soul "happy hours" for such reason
punishedlad
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Business Development Team Lead
Personally, I will always jump on the opportunity for company comped drinks. Upvoting for the massive dub that frenchman took home, and also the Jojo reference.
punishedlad
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Business Development Team Lead
Worth noting that the only mandatory company event we have is this month, actually. Everyone in the company, even our international workers, get flown into our HQ for a few days of team building/drinking/goal setting for next year.
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
Happy hours sucks
Sunbunny31
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Sr Sales Executive 🐰
Would be helpful to have a link to the actual story/findings, though it's good to see a post with some context.
alonzoharris
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Partner Manager
Sunbunny31
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Sr Sales Executive 🐰
Thanks, there's more to the story there for sure - looks like it went beyond culture and into the stuff that got other companies in trouble (not just drinking!).
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
Thank you Captain - forgot to fly away :v
sketchysales
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Sales Manager
Sounds like a screwed up company hes better to not be at.
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
better of alone
Mobi85
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Regional Sales Manager
"Fun" police coming out at this company and hitting people up with citations I guess.

Good on that dude for sticking it to them and sounds like it is a shitty company.

We have our party next weekend and it has become much more "corporate" compared to the early start up days and is much tamer now compared to the olden days.
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
pose for the picture and leave :V
SaaSsy
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AE
I just saw this! Could not believe it - especially since we've all worked with the "parties too hard" person and the "never parties" person. Wonder what was going on behind the scenes...I was PIP'd one time being #1 in my region because our new frat-tastic garbage manager didn't like my personality.
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
🤮
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
My golden rule - pose for the picture but never stay until the end. Have a drink with your team and bye bye
SaaSsy
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AE
haha so true!
Pachacuti
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They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy
It helps to be social and make friends in the workplace. Its hard though when the culture forces people to participate in post-work hours activities. Many of us have a life outside work &/or don't agree with the type of socializing this company promoted.
IndianaShep
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Director of Sales and Marketing
I have four kids man. I am categorically not fun (right now). Don’t make me talk about the project we finished in a virtual happy hour…let me sell some more shit. See? Boring.

Now, younger “oat-sowing” IndianaShep got drunk in the French Alps on a study abroad, snuck on to a yacht with a Lebanese woman, and nous avons des atomes crouches. See? Wasn’t always boring.
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
Nous avons - oh lala
antiASKHOLE
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Bravado's Resident Asshole
well then, I still won't go to Happy Hour lmao
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
Same hahaha it's like wata.... watashame bruh, *hits decline with mighty rage*
antiASKHOLE
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Mendizo
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Sr. Director
I feel that in larger companies, above a certain level of seniority, it's a must to participate to be in the running for promotion. It's an old boy's club mentality still in most places, and that's not great.

The reality is that people in different lifestyle situations just have their own preferences for how they want to spend their time, and let's not even get started on how much things like this sucks for those who don't drink alcohol.
TennisandSales
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Head Of Sales
when i was an SDR the company i was at FOR SURE pushed everyone to attend happy hours. leadership would come into town, and my boss would take note of who was there and who was not. it for sure effected promotions.
ChumpChange
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Channel Manager
If it's on the company dime. Hell yeah! If it's on my dime... "Thanks for the invite but I have a prior commitment."
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
white globe customer service here
countingmyinterest
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Account Executive
Here I am worrying if I am going to get too drunk...
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
same here - golden rule, get drunk outside
Kosta_Konfucius
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Sales Rep
So I read the lawsuit asked for around $480k, but only got $3100. Company pretty much one the battle on this
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
Same - but it on second stance atm
LightingLeader
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Specification Sales
Well of course it’s Europe, where they actually have worker protections.
Mr.Pickles
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Sr. Customer Success Manager
*Cries in massive layoff*
LightingLeader
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Specification Sales
I’m sorry :’(
Diablo
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Sr. AE
This is insane unless it’s mandatory there.

I was never forced to attend any of these parties.
BlueJays2591
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Federal Business Dev Director
Yep, first job out of college. Happy hours were basically required. Very young office. I was considered not very fun
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