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Got fired by the same guy...twice in 6 months

Ok so late in 2021 I was looking for a new job and was enticed to join a series B org as an Enterprise rep. First time sales leader building out his new team, basically lied aggressively to me to get me in the door. (In short he told me we had leads and needed an Enterprise rep to manage complex sales cycles, and I'd be doing little to no prospecting). Now I have no problem hitting the phones, however with this specific product, there was very little you could do to generate demand via an outbound phone call. Thus everything failed, and after I publicly disagreed with our GTM message and motion at QBR, I was let go a week later.


Fast forward 3 months. I quickly found a new job and was hired by the COO as an Enterprise AE. (This place was mostly cold calling - but they were upfront with it so it was fine by me). Thought things were going well until they bring on a new VP to cover my region. Turns out he was tight with my last manager. Sure enough 2-3 weeks in he starts acting weird around me, 2 weeks after that I get pipd, and 30 days later - boom fired again.


I can't prove it, but cant think of any other reason to get let go so quickly into a role, when I was having the same level of success as others.


Has this ever happened to someone else? Talk about your network catching up with you. Moral of the story, disconnect with people on LinkedIn that you had negative relationships with.

|Have you ever been fired by the same person twice (directly or indirectly)?
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RealPatrickBateman
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๐Ÿ”ชAmateur Butcher๐Ÿ”ช
Please expand on this "after I publicly disagreed with our GTM message and motion at QBR, I was let go a week later"

This seems like the beginning of the end.

Publicly questioning leadership, methods, processes, etc. In front of the entire company... as a "new" rep... Disaster my friend.

Without any real power, publicly questioning company messaging, policies, protocols, etc is a losing strategy 99.7% of the time (trust me, I ran the numbers)

Do you think this had ANY impact on the decision to let you go?
Sunbunny31
Politicker
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Sr Sales Executive
Exactly what I'm curious about.
FeelItInMyPlums
Valued Contributor
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Sales Account Executive
Oh yeah, this was 100% the reason I was let go. Basically we were going to market with a platform message, but our "platform" only covered a portion of the market. We were looking for quick wins. I went into my QBR with the action item of solving immediate problems for clients vs pitching a full replatform. That being said at that point I was 6 months in with 3 other coworkers all sitting at 0%.....i didnt really care about keeping my job if we didnt fix the messaging.

Side note - the whole Enterprise team and motion were new. That being said I would have fired me too from Job 1.

But job 2 I was good soldier, saying yes and busting my ass. Never criticized or anything.
Sunbunny31
Politicker
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Sr Sales Executive
Understood.

Sounds like you made manager #1 really really salty - but if he even said anything to your current manager, if that manager was worth his salt, his response could have been "interesting that you got that out of FIIMP. He's been hitting his targets here." Rather than a cold shoulder and then PIP-bye.

It could also be coincidence...

Regardless, sorry it happened.
RealPatrickBateman
Politicker
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๐Ÿ”ชAmateur Butcher๐Ÿ”ช
Ok, thank you for your response.

Reason I bring this up is..... I was that guy. I knew it all and I would tell anyone that would listen that they were wrong and I was right.

Point being,

1.) Never aggressively question or go against leadership in a public setting. 1-on-1 or bust. Once you scorn a manager/superior/slavemaster publicly, that event will always be in the back of their mind as a reason to scorn you if they are in such a position. Plus, they have all the leverage and power, so unless you are ready to lose your job, tread lightly.

2.) Like life, your interactions on the job will have ripple effects throughout your career that are very likely to follow wherever you go, good or bad. (See point #1)
jefe
Arsonist
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Head of Sales
It's tempting to be that guy but it doesn't work
sketchysales
Politicker
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Sales Manager
I think we are the same patrick, telling anyone that would listen that they were wrong and i was right, ouch it was so true of me it hurts. Fortunately we live and learn.
RealPatrickBateman
Politicker
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๐Ÿ”ชAmateur Butcher๐Ÿ”ช
.... You're in her DM's on IG, I'm endorsing her for skills on LinkedIn....

We are not the same.
TheQueenofDiamonds
Politicker
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Account Executive
So true, felt it in my last position on my own skin ๐Ÿฅบ
Lesson learned
CadenceCombat
Tycoon
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Account Executive
Damn, thatโ€™s a rough one man.

Hereโ€™s a good rule I learned the hard way: no first time managers or CEOs. Itโ€™s never a good time.
antiASKHOLE
Big Shot
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Account Executive
That is complete shit, sorry about your luck on this. fortunately, I have never been fired from anything.
FeelItInMyPlums
Valued Contributor
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Sales Account Executive
Wait, you're in sales lol?!
antiASKHOLE
Big Shot
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Account Executive
sales, only for the past 5 years. But even so, I have been working since I was 10 years old and have never been fired from anything.
Sunbunny31
Politicker
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Sr Sales Executive
....yet.

Always add the "yet". It wards off evil.
antiASKHOLE
Big Shot
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Account Executive
I'm sure I'll be due for a firing before long haha. I just do my job just well enough for it to not happen.
Sunbunny31
Politicker
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Sr Sales Executive
I've not been fired, but I've been on the receiving end of layoffs due to my division evaporating. But to that point - in both cases it happened to me, I was the first one called back by another hiring manager to say, hey, I need you! So performance does matter!
Justatitle
Politicker
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Account Executive
If management can be influenced that easily, they did you a favor in letting you go, itโ€™ll get ugly there.
TennisandSales
Politicker
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Enterprise Account Executive
wooow i have never heard of anything like this happening. what are the chances that dude would be your boss again?!! that seems SUPER unlikely!
FeelItInMyPlums
Valued Contributor
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Sales Account Executive
He wasnt my direct boss again, but he was tight with my new direct boss. That's all it took.
FeelItInMyPlums
Valued Contributor
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Sales Account Executive
Oh also no sorries needed - I found a new gig 3 weeks later working for someone I'd worked with in the past.
Sunbunny31
Politicker
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Sr Sales Executive
Oh, I retract my previous sorry, then.

Glad you found something new!
Kosta_Konfucius
Politicker
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Sales Rep
Wow I am really sorry to hear this. What was there reasoning for the Pip and being let go, when you had the same success?

This story seems almost unbelievable that someone would do this. But I always under-estimate how petty and shitty some people are
FeelItInMyPlums
Valued Contributor
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Sales Account Executive
Nope, just the generic "hit your numbers, pipeline goals, new meeting goals, etc". Nothing they could actually point to. Was a weird call getting fired when they gave me the reason of "lack of background in the space." I was like, are you gaslighting me? You knew that when you hired me.
Diablo
Politicker
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Sr. AE
Damn sad, sorry to hear that. I have never been in that situation before but can feel you.
Pachacuti
Politicker
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They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy
That sucks. Hard to say Iโ€™d there is a direct correlation but seems at least a bit shady.
punishedlad
Politicker
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Field Sales
Haven't been fired by the same person twice, but I have been rejected in the interview process by the same person twice at two different companies lol
Kaladin
Good Citizen
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Director Enterprise Sales
Was โ€œfiredโ€ (strategic layoff, I was the only one affected) by a woman who wanted to take over my team. We had had some channel conflict but nothing extreme by any comparison to what I have seen. Few years later she was hired at a company I was waiting on the official offer letter, already had the informal, when she stepped in and tanked it. No idea what she said but it hurt, was exactly what I wanted and needed.
DungeonsNDemos
Big Shot
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Rolling 20's all day
What a story! I have not been fired before, but I have quit from the same company and manager twice. Sorry to hear about your situation, though I do think your moral of the story is right.
GabrielMaher
Contributor
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Integrated Solutions Manager L2
I'm sorry to hear that. Im sure you'll find greener pastures!!
Carlosg
Opinionated
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SDR
It was in 2 different companies or the same one? xD
ARRGROW
Contributor
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CEO
But, my head of sales called me and told me that the president fired him on Friday, I told him "don't worry, that A-hole will rehire you on Monday" and it happened
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