Update on manager who shushed me: UPDATE, PART 2

First and foremost, thank you to this community who grounded me for what happened today.  I have not called HR bc my VP is on PTO this week and time off is sacred and should be respected at all levels IMO.

Now for the juice... essentially my boss called a 1:1 to discuss the deal today - same day - especially because he noticed I had a call with the prospect tomorrow he wasn't on. (was quick to bring this up, I remained unfazed) 

He basically tried to explain why he cut me off. he had no choice.  I say he had an opportunity to better understand the deal ahead of time.  we MUST behave as an aligned and unified team.  he says sometimes we just have to pivot. I tell him I don't disagree but he pivoted against our own predetermined strategy and caught me off guard. I don't operate well within an environment where trust does not exist. I never once called out him shushing me.  It felt like a waste of time.  He has a script planned for all of it.  let him dig his own grave.
I explained in return the feedback on his approach from the prospect wasn't great.  too aggressive.  they want to work with people they trust and consider friends (its executives but a blue collar industry so, makes sense). he says "you get paid a base salary to work to close deals, not make friends" I reply, "to be clear, I have plenty of friends. I don't work to make friends.  I'm here with 10 years of never achieving under 200% of quota. I've closed Bank of America, Capital One, McDonalds, Geico, Disney, Verizon, Siemens.. to name a few" he says "I have 27 years experience.  stop being afraid to ask hard questions" I reply "you've admitted everything you've asked, I already had.  and you've never netted a different or better response." 

The call felt like me wanting any sign of viable rationality and him wanting a pissing match.  

One of the first things I told my now VP was, I don't get into the concept of needing to prove my worth to others.  I know my vision and my value I can bring you.  but I'll never adopt to an aggressive pushy methodology in sales. if that's what you feel you need here I'm considering 8 other offers.  it's all good. Lets not waste each other's time. 

I believe in my VP even if we don't see eye to eye on methods.  He has continually spent one on one time with me where he has reinforced that my gift is how un-sales like I behave. 

The point here is, I hear all of your advice. I didn't offer to include him in my next client call.  He asked to call my champions boss to build another Avenue in. I said I would consider the approach and let him know.  The answer is no. I just know how pondering and letting them know later I already made the call as a suggestion from my champion and was successful is best. 

The only thing we can control as reps is our client, agreed upon next steps, and how we handle internal conflict.

What I heard today wasn't an apology.  I was met with more excuses and planned reasoning for unacceptable behaviors.  I don't need to call out his inappropriate behavior again.  Not including him and justifying it with a best for the business decision left him with no where else to turn.

4 reps now report to him.  I was the first to include him from his consistent ask to come in as a fly on the wall.  it's my last time under him giving him that courtesy.  his calendar is empty because my peers wouldn't even test his waters.

Earn trust from your people before you act like the expert in the room.  It's a reinforced idea I already believed in prior to this.  pushing the ego cart before the horse is how my new boss got himself into this predicament.  

He picked the wrong woman to test it on. ✌🏼
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TechSalesQueen
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UPDATE: My boss came to our 1 on 1 today ready to try and make me feel incompetent and like I’m the one in this situation who fucked up. I stayed calm but was quick to point out discrepancies in his statements and not allow someone to disrespect me as a person and a professional. After a week of replaying things and continued hostile interactions with this person I think it’s time I become open to new opportunities. So, that’s my new next step. Thanks again for everyone here who supported me even under the guise of hidden identities. This community was long overdue for many of us. I feel like this is exactly what it’s meant to be here for. We have the right to be respected at our jobs. We have the right to say no to inappropriate behavior. And we have the right as professionals to find somewhere that can give that to us if it isn’t being provided in our current environments. Don’t ever let someone in a higher ranking role gaslight you into believing less of yourself so they don’t have to take accountability for their own inadequacies and emotional immaturity. Stay savage. ✌🏼
pretengineer
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Head of the crumpets
That's very classy! 👏 fist bump | elbow tap over.

I would like to say something more about the deal and working with your manager, but I don't. Good work savage.

TechSalesQueen
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Sr. Enterprise Account Executive
💁🏼‍♀️ thank you!!!!
Incognito
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Master of Disaster
👏This👏is👏how👏you👏do👏it👏
CaneWolf
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Call me what you want, just sign the damn contract
You have waaaaaaay better emotional control than I ever well. Get your deal done, get paid and GTFO of there.
TechSalesQueen
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Sr. Enterprise Account Executive
I used to be a loose cannon. I invested countless hours in therapy and a leadership development coach to get here. Trust me when I say this: you do not need to prove yourself to anyone. You are exactly where you need to be today. We all continue to grow over time. The way to avoid becoming my manager is not fighting our vulnerability and past where doubt was created but by embracing it and understanding where it comes from so we can no longer believe in our own self doubts. You will get there! Just takes a lot of internal digging. Countless hours of crying. And admitting what scares you so it doesn’t seem quite so scary anymore!! 💕💕💕💕
youKNOW
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Sales Manager
Awesome...

There are certain sales directors who think that they are the sale...and then there are the smart ones who know when to get out of the way.

Sounds like the only expertise this dude has is being a f*cking jackass. 

I guess this begs the question...what's your next step? You out?
TechSalesQueen
Executive
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Sr. Enterprise Account Executive
Hell no. I’m going to close this damn deal!
youKNOW
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Sales Manager
Upvote for being a BAMF. Kill it.
CuriousFox
WR Officer
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🦊
Yeah he definitely needs to stay in his own lane. Having that title doesn't mean you always know best.
MsTech
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Business Development Executive
Stand your ground, professionally. Awesome! 
DungeonsNDemos
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Rolling 20's all day
Glad to hear he isn't getting to you, and I empathize with the level of crazy and irrational he is being. 

Hopefully he will not make this worse or reoccurring. I do wonder how he got to where he is now with this attitude for business.
Sniper
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Enterprise Account Executive
This individual who we shall call “VP” needs to 1) address and treat whatever trauma he experienced and also 1) move the fuck out of the way and redirect his energy back into revenue generating activity.
SabertoothSales
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Southeast Regional Manager
👏👏👏Wow, what a story! Keep us updated as things develop!
FlintIronstag
Notorious Answer
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Chief Marketing Officer
You handled it better than I would have. Kudos to you. You're my hero.
FeedTheKids
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Solutions Consultant
Respect ✊
deathbysales
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Vice President, Sales
From one woman sales rep to another - drop the mic! You're a class act, stay strong and stay the course. He sounds like a total tool and a waste of time and space. 
balzer
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Solutions Architect
hell yes. 
CadenceCombat
Tycoon
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Account Executive
Definitely had a similar experience in my previous role working for a CEO who would consistently jeopardize my deals.
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UPDATE: Manager resigned. CMO just put time on my calendar. Wish me luck!

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