ventox35

Sales Leader

Politicker

Catalyst

Valued Contributor

Can I vent?

Joined a startup to build out their b2b unit. they've traditionally been b2c.

I'm making sales. doing good. it's great.

they asked me to help on the marketing & social side for some extra cash. had no choice but to take that offer. Easy job, easy extra cash, couple hours of work a day. great!

but.....

MARKETING IS DUMB! seriously. why are they the way they are? I can't deal with this. these people use their little buzzwords, they have their grand ideas...it's miserable to be inside that world.

I've always heard engineers+architects can't get along. seems that sales+marketing are the same.

Any horror stories of marketing/sales snaffoos??

🙅‍♂ MarketingSucks

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MeowMeow

Politicker

Senior Enterprise Account Executive

My marketing team runs our OKR’s across the company. So we have 3 meetings a week to review our OKR progress. 🤣 Meanwhile our website has shout outs from our “customers” which these businesses don’t even exist anymore and a lot of them ate it in a very embarrassing/public fashion. Marketing doesn’t drive any leads and takes credit for the one we get monthly. We haven’t had sales collateral since early 2022 I think. So if you want any PDF ammo you better bust out MS PAINT and get creative.

Wait, why aren’t we in marketing? Sounds like the only requirement is that you’re dumb as shit. We can pretend!

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

*snafu = Situation Normal; All Fucked Up.
You're welcome.
Marketing can be painful, but I have to say, my company has transitioned to good marketing practices lately, with collaboration and inbound leads picking up. Honestly, when the leads are up...marketing looks great and we love them!

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

Thank you for correcting, we can always count on you!

Good marketing is golden, bad is just BAD.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

I've given up on the you're/your - y'all are on your own there.
And there was that one post a few days ago that was utterly and completely wrong - didn't bother. No point at all. But yeah, if there's a good correction, it will be had.

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

I completely get it.

Lots of people don't understand that words like SNAFU and FUBAR actually stand for something, so it's a good learning moment.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

All those great terms that have military sources. As an AF Brat, I approve.

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

My dad has always loved military history, as does my brother, so I got exposed to a lot of it.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Big military family … all Navy on one side. If I say much more, I may dox myself (or maybe not, different last names). Let’s just say one of my relatives is still used as an example in training for how not to be a sub captain.

And if they like the military, I HIGHLY recommend the WW II museum in NOLA. It’s really, really well done.

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

Say no more! Also LMAO. You’re not supposed to open the hatch underwater.

And if anyone is heading downtown that way I’ll make the suggestion.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

It’s more like - see what happened during this skirmish? Do not do that.

And yeah, that museum is super. And mentions the ship my grandfather was killed on during WW II, which was a surprise.

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

Well that’s not as fun but still very cool.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

It’s quite alright. It’s not like the family didn’t know. Seeing tributes are always cool, particularly when unexpected.

jefe

Arsonist

🍁

Absolutely. On a much lighter note, I have an ancestor that invented something very cool and very common in the early 20th century, and didn't really believe the story as a kid but then randomly came across the fact in a book when I was like 9/10 and realized it wasn't a tall tale.

I've since seen that detail in a few places and have no doubt of its veracity.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

I love that story! How very cool.

Pachacuti

Politicker

They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy

Most real sales people can’t stand marketing people. So welcome to the club!

Revenue_Rambo

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Director, Revenue Enablement

Our product marketing team created over 500 opps for a couple of new products and dropped them on accounts WITH some no brain estimated amount included. They also did this in a pipeline reportable stage inflating our existing pipeline by 7 figures.

99% of the opps had to be deleted (not closed) because they were attached to accounts that lacked the core products even needed for the addons.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

This nonsense makes me lose my mind.

Justatitle

Big Shot

Account Executive

A good vent is always welcome, a bad one too. Let it flow

TennisandSales

Politicker

Head Of Sales

hahaha o boy you are just getting to this realization?
the biggest problem with sales and marketing working together is the metrics they are judged on!

We are judged on actual RESULTS. closed won. real revenue.

Marketing (most of the time although leading companies are changing this) are judged on bullshit metrics like "Marketing qualified leads" which is a think that marketing can just make up.

Until the teams are aligned on the same goals they will never be friends.

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

Always knew it, but got deep in the weeds and now I truly, truly get it.

Filth

Politicker

Live Filthy or Die Clean

I know the pain - old org I had to do the sales and marketing job. Now I just get regularly abused for my ideas without them paying my hourly for ideas they can't come up with and the stuff they come up with is just, as my 11 year old would say, dog water. No understanding of actual customers and product - make announcement of things and WAAAy before we can Demo anything, etc. All in all they are a good team here but it's a good marketing team which basically an oxymoron.

Vent away @ventox35 , anonymous trash talking and spewing of internal frustrations is chicken noodle soup for our sales souls (if we have them anymore) and one of the core pillars of this site.

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

Thank you

HVACexpert

Politicker

sales engineer

Can confirm, engineering and architects do not get along.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Spill the tea sis 👀🍿

HVACexpert

Politicker

sales engineer

Long story short, architects like pretty things, engineers want the building to operate properly and design an optimal and efficiency system and are bound by things like gravity, physics, thermodynamics, etc. this means that the pretty things architects like aren’t always best for operation and design and we tend to butt heads a lot. Engineers are typically hired by architects and are sub contractors to them which can complicate things.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

I thoroughly enjoyed this story 🦊

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