buckeyenation

VP of sales got demoted, makes double what AE's do with same quota

VP of sales got demoted for miserable overall team performance, kept his salary, and has the same quota as AEs. Is super panicked in general and acting erratically with inbound sharing etc, what is best avenue for bystanders to take here?

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jefe

Arsonist

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The demotion itself must be playing havoc on this guy's mental state...

Salary staying the same is new, but were I in his shoes I'd want that lol

buckeyenation

Acclaimed Answer

lol. meh. phooey on you! ;)

SaaSguy

Tycoon

Account Executive

Yeah being demoted and then not performing as an IC will freak anyone out. I'd stick around as his future with the company likely isnt bright.

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

I'd keep my head down, mind my business, and go on as usual.

Kosta_Konfucius

Politicker

Sales Rep

Was this VP a top performing rep at the company before hand? It makes sense if he is paid more.

I am sure the VP is just super self conscious for now, but will work through it

antiASKHOLE

Tycoon

Bravado's Resident Asshole

Let him sit in his own piss? Looks like they are scrambling to show they can do something. I think their salary should be decreased with the demotion. only makes sense, right?

buckeyenation

Acclaimed Answer

yes. wish i were the one pulling the strings.

TennisandSales

Politicker

Head Of Sales

hahaha omg!!! i have never heard of this happening! Why would the ex-vp stay??? i would leave!

if you are a bystander.....just stay out of their way. if there are issues, go to your manager like you normally would.

wow, super awkward!

Edidiong

Marketer

I have never heard it myself, I'm also surprised to see this here.

Anker

Opinionated

SAE (Senior Account Executive)

I’m guessing he’s not long in that role. Let him fizzle out, just keep your head down and watch from the sidelines.

LordOfWar

Tycoon

Blow it up

Was he a good VP? Did he treat the team well?

I've seen this happen but the former VP just left, he didn't want to deal with the demotion.

buckeyenation

Acclaimed Answer

he is average. no less so. just not a great leader.

LordOfWar

Tycoon

Blow it up

Maybe moving back to IC will be better for him, especially if he keeps his VP salary long term.

Also does open the door for someone else to try their hand, should they be interested.

Diablo

Politicker

Sr. AE

I have seen people leaving but may be he is stuck due to his same compensation. I won’t panic and keep doing what I am doing.

Pachacuti

Politicker

They call me Daddy, Sales Daddy

Just do your job and keep your mouth shut while he publicly implodes.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

As others have said, stay out of the way when you can.

I'm curious as to what you meant about inbound sharing, though.

buckeyenation

Acclaimed Answer

they demoted him, but because they are unorganized af, don't realize that he still does key things like divvy up the inbound leads etc. so he is turning into a bottleneck and cherry picking the best leads.

FYI - he came on after me, I was best closer before, and best closer now. They made him fire the people he brought on and i still think he can barely demo the product.

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

That's no bueno.

That said, sounds like he's digging his own hole, so let him. If it's possible to ask your (new) manager, in all innocence "hey, out of curiosity, when is the lead process going to be updated?", I'd do that. And I'd do it in he non-dramatic way of just asking a question.

ChumpChange

Politicker

Channel Manager

Never heard of this scenario before. Why would they keep an underperformer at the same pay rate??? The sheer awkwardness this is going to cause for both that ex-VP and the current team is ridiculous. I suppose the real question is if that ex-VP is going to be using his previous title to game the system.

FinanceEngineer

Politicker

Sr Director, sales and partnerships

I had the CRO of one of my companies demoted. He did exactly this - hoarded opportunities and sniped everyone who wasn’t him or on his team. Be this person’s friend, but don’t let your guard down as he is willing to turn on you if it makes him money.

buckeyenation

Acclaimed Answer

so disgusting. sorry you had to go through this.

CryptoPoor

Opinionated

Account Executive

Mind your own business. Being demoted is extremely harsh in itself and if there’s any cut needed he’ll probably be the first one to get hit.
His overhead cost is much higher and from your comment he doesn’t seem to be performing to the level of his salary.

Sometimes companies will try to show you the door (gently or not) instead of straight off firing you and to me it seems like it’s that kind of situation.

activity

Politicker

VP, Business Development

Stay out of this persons way. Sounds like they are already on a self-destruct path. They will more than likely manage themselves out of the company and go to "greener pastures" quicker than you think.

Mendizo

Opinionated

Sr. Director

I would say just let it ride out. You said in some comments he's an average performer. Unless he has some other sales voodoo he can bring such as connections with customers or whatnot, the company is going to look at the fact that he is 2x+ OpEx and go "hmm, we could have 2 AE's for the price of him", and he'll be shuttled out. Probably a bit of a grace period for both parties. My money is on him not being there longer than a quarter or two.

ThatNewAE

Big Shot

Account Executive - Mid enterprise

Poor guy!
But I don't think the bystanders need to meddle. From what I have learnt, the more you meddle, the muddier it gets.

CRAG112

Valued Contributor

Account Executive

If he asks you for something, help, etc. tell him to F off and kick rocks.

rich kid broke daddy’s toys but no real consequence.

Edidiong

Marketer

Why was he dmoted

Coffeesforclosers

Notable Contributor

Director Sales and Market Development

Step 1 demotion, company hopes he quits, fired by end of this quarter, next if he doesnt resign, dont worry its all over for them

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