ventox35

Sales Leader

WE NEED A STRONG LEADER!!!!!

As i write this solemn, depressing warroom post. A less experienced, less qualified, less intelligent, and undeserving person is soon to be commanding my post.

BEFORE YOU COMMENT "I'd Be OuTtA ThErE"...I'M TRYING IT'S NOT EASY

going to be demoted from my SDR Management role in q2.

For performance related reasons? nope.

For what reason then? EXCELLENT QUESTION. One in which i posited to the CRO. His response: "well, we need a strong leader!"

ok cool dude. so what do we do? we hire someone with:

zero experience in our industry

zero experience managing people

a buddy of another new hire from their old company

Funny thing is, the sales team is performing like never before. 2x MRR growth month over month for 3 straight months.

A common theme of my posts lately: why do executives suck so bad?

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CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

I'd Be OuTtA ThErE

RandyLahey

Politicker

Account Manager

You beat me to it

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

well done

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

I don’t really get your situation.

You posted on the win wire about closing a deal that took you 2 years yet you’re an SDR Manager and you accepted a non-answer as to why you’re getting demoted without pressing harder to get the specifics of what expectations you aren’t meeting…

Doesn’t really add up.

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

@CadenceCombatah, so you get it.
i'm wearing a ton of hats--startup life! part of my day to day requires i close some deals. player-coach type situation. our org chart changes every few months. nothing good enough for the higher ups.

i pressed EXTREMELY hard on keeping my position.
1. asked for more money
2. wrote down my accomplishments in an effort to justify keeping me in my position
3. asked multiple questions to get to CRO's 'why.' only answer i can get is "well, we want a strong leader"

Leadership at this place is a JOKE. i used to accept it because startup life is crazy, and i'm essentially a co-founder. but i can't accept this nonsense anymore

CadenceCombat

Tycoon

Account Executive

“Startup life” is a bullshit rationale. Wearing many hats? Yeah, okay “start-up life” but being an IC while having to manage a team at the same time is always a conflict of interest and absolute bullshit. You can’t do either role effectively that way.

You don’t get to keep complaining about this shit anymore because you’re doing it to yourself at this point. I’ve worked for shit startups too. I know what it is.

Just do what you’re told, do the bare minimum at work and put all your effort to find something else. The end.

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

@CadenceCombatcorrect. that's exactly my mindset.

punishedlad

Tycoon

Business Development Team Lead

oof, going for the throat here @CadenceCombat

you're right though

quotascammedeverytime

Opinionated

account executive

yeah, startup executives are usually trash and don't care about you. They will just keep throwing you around until youre all used up. Best to just put on a happy face and say thank you, act positive, while you get another job. You frankly dont have any power as an employee so they can treat you however they want and get away with it.

poweredbycaffeine

WR Lieutenant

☕️

Is this why you posted your “what is next” post yesterday?

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

@poweredbycaffeineall your caffeine has made you very wise

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

To your point from yesterday, tech isn't dead, but I'd stay far, far away from startups.

Congratulations on the baby!

CuriousFox

WR Officer

🦊

Start ups give me the anxiety.

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

learned this the hard way

Sunbunny31

Politicker

Sr Sales Executive 🐰

Doing it once is one thing.

Diablo

Politicker

Sr. AE

What’s the purpose? Improve strategy and goals? Or reinvent the wheels from scratch when things are going so well in terms of growth?

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

@Diablo
my gut? style clash + punishment

his leadership style is VASTLY different than mine. he claims he wants an outside hire that's "unbiased." he also is a relationship seller. which makes me want to throw up

i took some leave right when CRO started recently for personal reasons, during crunch time in the quarter (i had a freaking kid, how dare i), and immediately upon return find out i'm not a "strong leader"....smells fishy eh?

Diablo

Politicker

Sr. AE

This is insane for sure. My previous manager was fired the day he came back from vacay and he was doing just awesome. Difficulty to gauge people’s mind.

ChumpChange

Politicker

Channel Manager

A terrible spot to be in. To be performing and at the same time to be softly demoted is a kick in the nuts. This is a massive red flag because this means the company doesn't promote within which means regardless of how much you succeed... you're stuck. Get the bug-out bag ready.

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

very well said. promotion within is a concept unheard of to these people. the only important voice is the newest voice

Justatitle

Big Shot

Account Executive

Damn dude, don’t have a great answer and the best item I can offer is to enjoy the schadenfreude of the awful hire they make

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

@Justatitleyou've immediately become my friend with your use of the word schadenfreude.

Maximas

Tycoon

Senior Sales Executive

I'd Be OuTtA ThErE like 80% chance.

For the remaining 20% I may think of waiting by betting on the other dude that will fail for certain that may get me reassigned for the role or even till finding a better opportunity!

Kosta_Konfucius

Politicker

Sales Rep

I got to ask, what did you say to piss of leadership?

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

"my team gets results. i have 0% turnover in the last 10 months. my team works their bottoms off. i have 5 other job roles i'm also responsible for and i'm getting results there too"

Kosta_Konfucius

Politicker

Sales Rep

Damn so sorry to hear what happened

RedLightning

Politicker

Mid-Market AE

What are you being demoted to?

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

i don't even know yet...CRO: "come up with some ideas on where you can add value, we'll discuss what you come up with next week"

RedLightning

Politicker

Mid-Market AE

Honestly, what's keeping you at this org?

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

@RedLightningnothing. on the hunt my friend.

GDO

Politicker

BDM

Damn that sucks. You're still in limbo

starson

Good Citizen

Senior Sales Manager

Go to the VC and CEO and ask for the CRO role ;-)
You already are in a loose - loose situation. Might as well have some fun :-)

ventox35

Politicker

Sales Leader

i very much like this

fcmf

Valued Contributor

RSM

Being there. Sounds like lack of leadership and nonsense

Leadership Development coach & Regional Sales leader

Too many people who simply aren't suited to be managers 'fail upwards' into leadership. This is why I'm on a mission to prevent bad leadership in the world through coaching...send 'em my way 👋🏽

starson

Good Citizen

Senior Sales Manager

Oooh advertisement 😵‍💫

GingerBarbarian

Opinionated

Lead Sales

Most people don't know what "strong leadership" looks like. They hire people who pound the table and bulldoze reps. That is not strength, it is fear and a scarcity mindset.

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